Well, i have a feeling this womens belt is going to be moving back and forth

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Holly would beat Nunes on the feet, and so she will win the belt back, but then lose it to anyone with a good ground game and strong enough body to take her down,since holm is incredibly strong but she wont be able to hold on to it. So yeah, lets get used to having new champs in this division over and over.
 
I think Holly beats Nuñes, what a shame Zingano lost
 
Yeah Holly beats Nunes, beats Tate in similar fashion to their first fight minus the choke, beats Ronda again.

Just because Holly lost via hail mary TD and choke in the last round doesnt mean she will lose to anyone with a solid ground game. Thats the dumbest thing ive seen today on Sherdog, well, maybe.

But Holly lasted on the ground with Meisha in the 2nd round, lasted on the ground vs Ronda even though it was short instances, has stuffed majority of TD attempts in her career.

She is fine on the ground. I dont see how its hard for people to see she got complacent in the 5th round of a fight she was winning, it happens to alot of fighters but Holly just so happened to pay for it big time.
 
bambammccoy said:
Yeah Holly beats Nunes, beats Tate in similar fashion to their first fight minus the choke, beats Ronda again.

Just because Holly lost via hail mary TD and choke in the last round doesnt mean she will lose to anyone with a solid ground game. Thats the dumbest thing ive seen today on Sherdog, well, maybe.

But Holly lasted on the ground with Meisha in the 2nd round, lasted on the ground vs Ronda even though it was short instances, has stuffed majority of TD attempts in her career.

She is fine on the ground. I dont see how its hard for people to see she got complacent in the 5th round of a fight she was winning, it happens to alot of fighters but Holly just so happened to pay for it big time.
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Tate got a 10-8 on Holly in the 1st. That doesn't mean Holly is bad on the ground, doesn't mean she is good either.
 
It's not at all clear that Holly beats Nunes - if you watch Holly's fight against Pennington, she can have trouble against another fighter with striking strength and good movement. I am not saying that I would bet on Nunes but it is by no means a slam dunk.
The only safe bet in this division over the past 9 months has been to bet on the underdog.
 
platypus44 said:
It's not at all clear that Holly beats Nunes - if you watch Holly's fight against Pennington, she can have trouble against another fighter with striking strength and good movement. I am not saying that I would bet on Nunes but it is by no means a slam dunk.
The only safe bet in this division over the past 9 months has been to bet on the underdog.
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Any fighter with a high finish rate is in every fight. They are always 1 right/left or guillotine/ heel hook away from victory.
 
Holly doesn't have enough power for Nunes to respect. Nunes doesn't rush straight forward at her opponents like Ronda, and she has good kicks as well s being more explosive than Holly, and her weak sauce punches.

Besides, shed just take Holly down, and tap her out within seconds. She's even more athletic and explosive than Holly, and is very well rounded. Ronda has no chance agaisnt her. Shed crack her once, and shed be hesitant the whole fight. A hesitant Ronda is a useless Ronda, and after the Holly massacre, I don't think she'll ever be the same.

Just based on Ronda's reaction after the Holly fight, not wanting to fight right away, being closed off, no words of, I'm gonna kill her in the rematch, just generally seeming like her hearts not in it anymore, makes me believe she has a front runners mentality, and when the going gets tough, she isn't the samr Uber confident fighter she once was. Her psyche is fragile, and she doesn't have a champions heart. Shes not built like that, IMO.

If any other fighter reacted the same way as Ronda after losing, they'd be called fake fighters, but of course, she gets a pass, because she's a girl, which is ironic, since they marketed her like she's above all the females, and on the mens level.

Look at Conor, and how he wants to Nate again, and avenge his loss. That's the mentality of a champion, win or lose.
 
Seems like it's all up to Rouseys commitment level at this point.
 
It's probably gonna be like the LHW title before Jones came along.
 
TomTomNT said:
Holly would beat Nunes on the feet, and so she will win the belt back, but then lose it to anyone with a good ground game and strong enough body to take her down,since holm is incredibly strong but she wont be able to hold on to it. So yeah, lets get used to having new champs in this division over and over.
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Nunes is a bjj black belt her ground game is solid
 
It's impossible to say who beats who in this division. For the next year, I am just going to put $5K on the underdog in every fight. Over the last 9 months that would have worked out great.
 
KORMAN said:
Holly doesn't have enough power for Nunes to respect. Nunes doesn't rush straight forward at her opponents like Ronda, and she has good kicks as well s being more explosive than Holly, and her weak sauce punches.

Besides, shed just take Holly down, and tap her out within seconds. She's even more athletic and explosive than Holly, and is very well rounded. Ronda has no chance agaisnt her. Shed crack her once, and shed be hesitant the whole fight. A hesitant Ronda is a useless Ronda, and after the Holly massacre, I don't think she'll ever be the same.

Just based on Ronda's reaction after the Holly fight, not wanting to fight right away, being closed off, no words of, I'm gonna kill her in the rematch, just generally seeming like her hearts not in it anymore, makes me believe she has a front runners mentality, and when the going gets tough, she isn't the samr Uber confident fighter she once was. Her psyche is fragile, and she doesn't have a champions heart. Shes not built like that, IMO.

If any other fighter reacted the same way as Ronda after losing, they'd be called fake fighters, but of course, she gets a pass, because she's a girl, which is ironic, since they marketed her like she's above all the females, and on the mens level.

Look at Conor, and how he wants to Nate again, and avenge his loss. That's the mentality of a champion, win or lose.
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this is a joke post tbh... i dont usually criticize but Holly is probably the most physically gifted female athlete in the sport right now, she is tall, and extremly strong, and when it comes to defending takedowns, most of those defenses come from pure strength. Yes she kind of sort of maybe lost on a fluke, but regardless we know her weakness, but getting her to the ground will really take 5 rounds, then you gotta hope you can finish the choke.
With holly's reach, she is like Jon jones of the division, good luck trying to close the distance with midget women fighters getting kicked every few seconds.


Nunes has already shown to have cardio issues, and in champion ship fights thats a huge negative.

Reality is that this belt will probably be changing hands a lot, for various reasons not just one or 2. I dont see this as a steady and stable division, its going to be anarchy at least for awhile.
 
TomTomNT said:
this is a joke post tbh... i dont usually criticize but Holly is probably the most physically gifted female athlete in the sport right now, she is tall, and extremly strong, and when it comes to defending takedowns, most of those defenses come from pure strength. Yes she kind of sort of maybe lost on a fluke, but regardless we know her weakness, but getting her to the ground will really take 5 rounds, then you gotta hope you can finish the choke.
With holly's reach, she is like Jon jones of the division, good luck trying to close the distance with midget women fighters getting kicked every few seconds.


Nunes has already shown to have cardio issues, and in champion ship fights thats a huge negative.

Reality is that this belt will probably be changing hands a lot, for various reasons not just one or 2. I dont see this as a steady and stable division, its going to be anarchy at least for awhile.
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Nunes improved on her cardio issues greatly. And honestly, they're not truly cardio issues. It was a fight IQ issue, where she didn't fight measured. Now she does. And you think I'm joking? Nunes ks clearly the most athletic and explosive fighter at BW. Holly can't bust a grape if you're not committing all your bodyweight in her direction. I hate to use mmath, but Holly could barely hurt Miesha, and Miesha didn't even respect her power, whereas Nunes stunned her with the first shot. And she did the same Mcmann. Holly isn't a great mma striker.

Dont forget, many thought she lost to Pennington for God's sake. Yes, she has good TDD, but there in lies the problem. She's always on the defensive, and that's another advanatage for Nunes. She has the threat of TDs and grappling, with the killer stand up. Holly's gonna worry about a TD, and get cracked on the feet.

Holly has never faced a female that's as athletic as her, and even moreso. Anyone with fight knowledge can see that Nunes just moves differently. Holly is a striding mover, and glides, whereas Nunes moves like a male fighter, and had much better anf stronger core strength, and movement

Holly is just a really bad matchup for Ronda, whereas Nunes is a bad Match up for everyone, ever since she's drastically improved her fight IQ.

Anyone that fought like Nunes used to fight would gas out in the next round.
 
A lot of belts are gonna be hopping around for a bit. Only the Mighty Mouse belt looks safe right now (& Joanna's)

For this belt though it will be funny to watch the shift from 'there is only one good fighter, the rest of the division sucks, WMMA sucks' (Ronda era) to 'there is no dominant champ, no-one is good enough to hold the belt, the division sucks, WMMA sucks'
dat tard logic
 
I actually think Nunes could defend at least a couple times. She's big for the division, hits hard, and is not easy to take down. That said, who knows, MMA cray.
 
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