Weird wrestling question!

[KemicalMMA**]

I have seen a few threads asking about wrestling. I train at a gym where there is no collegiate wrestlers around. Have a few HS wrestlers around. My question is that with a few high school wrestlers in the stable, what is the main difference between a shoot from a HS wrestler and a collegiate wrestler? Please keep in mind that I have only grappled with HS experienced wrestlers.

In BJJ class lastnight, we were working on shoot's and what to do if the attempt you made has failed! from Top and bottom! Kinda cool.... Just wish there was a more experience wrestler around.

 

[Gunnar152]

Biggest differences would be talent level and strength/conditioning. Most people who go on to the next level have better technique and will get out of position less often. What I mean by that is they won't get overextended on a shot and flattened out, they'll maintain there base in bottom position, and will stay busy when they are in poor position.

 

[kidrobot]

Biggest differences

1. Set up
2. Penetration
3. Physicalness (is that a word?)
4. Ability to finish

In other words everything.

 

[Shizzx]

i'm a Collegiate wrestler, the difference in the two is that one if more expericened in gauging how the person posture and the way they move before they attack.. there are a good wrestlers in high school that can figure this out. (i did my senior year) but when you are in high school you can make a sloppy one and turn it into something. in college you make a sloppy shot your will end up with your face in the mat.

I didn't do much of shooting while i was in high school or in college before i was kinda tall. so my defense was when someone else shot in one me and picked me up. they would end up in something like a guillotine choke but i would use it to reverse any move they were going ot use when put me back down.

so basically if they can shoot in good and get you. or at least teach you how to denfend against it.. then it would matter what type they are.

 

[Blast D*]

Difference is :

much better timing

much faster

better technique

better finishing

 

[Spoonman7]

the technique is better so the shoot will be faster, smoother and harder to stop.

 

[Crimson_King]

I have seen a few threads asking about wrestling. I train at a gym where there is no collegiate wrestlers around. Have a few HS wrestlers around. My question is that with a few high school wrestlers in the stable, what is the main difference between a shoot from a HS wrestler and a collegiate wrestler? Please keep in mind that I have only grappled with HS experienced wrestlers.

In BJJ class lastnight, we were working on shoot's and what to do if the attempt you made has failed! from Top and bottom! Kinda cool.... Just wish there was a more experience wrestler around.

the technique is better so the shoot will be faster, smoother and harder to stop.

its called a SHOT, not a shoot

shoot=verb
shot=noun

there is your grammar lesson for the day

 

[Agent Zero]

its called a SHOT, not a shoot

shoot=verb
shot=noun

there is your grammar lesson for the day

Thanks for that, having wrestled my whole life it really irritates me when non-wrestlers call it a "shoot"

 

[Spoonman7]

you guys need to lighten up a bit, we are all talking about the same thing, even if I do say it a little different, there is no rule book on how to say it.

 

[kidrobot]

you guys need to lighten up a bit, we are all talking about the same thing, even if I do say it a little different, there is no rule book on how to say it.

Sorry man not trying to be an ass but there kind of is a rule. It is called the English language.

 

[Mikey Triangles]

Sorry man not trying to be an ass but there kind of is a rule. It is called the English language.

Aren't you the same person that listed "Physicalness" as a major difference between HS and College level wrestlers?


talk about the pot and the kettle...

 

[kidrobot]

Aren't you the same person that listed "Physicalness" as a major difference between HS and College level wrestlers?


talk about the pot and the kettle...

It was a joke. Would you want me to type out Laugh Out Loud every time I say LOL...

and if you don't know what I meant by being physical you shouldn't be posting advice on here.

 

[eworden78]

The main difference is that collegiate level guys string together multiple moves fluidly.
If the shot gets stopped they're switching almost instantly to another move, and then to another.

 

[Tim Goodwin]

The main difference is that collegiate level guys string together multiple moves fluidly.
If the shot gets stopped they're switching almost instantly to another move, and then to another.

That's definitely true. I noticed this wrestling against other college guys then wrestling high schoolers. Some good high schoolers would get in on a shot but I could always scramble out. Once you get to college almost everyone can scramble pretty well and finishing takes so much more usually.

 

[hbkhoo]

Speed was the first thing I noticed when I started wrestling in college. Guys were definitely stronger, but the speed difference on the shot was the most dramatic thing. You can also assume that the college guy isn't going to shoot with his head way out in front of his base, and if you do get him extended, he's going to fix that quickly instead of hanging out on two knees holding onto your leg with while you crossface him.

 

[bacon]

I'd say the biggest difference is set-up. Like kidrobot said, College wrestlers do everything better, but the set-up at higher levels will make your head spin. Secondly, I'd say ferocity/intensity. It takes a few years before lower level wrestlers get comfortable with the idea of imposing their will on an opponent (physical wrestling, not dirty wrestling). By the time you reach college level, you can get your head taken off if you aren't paying attention.

 

[Crimson_King]

you guys need to lighten up a bit, we are all talking about the same thing, even if I do say it a little different, there is no rule book on how to say it.

i wasnt trying to be an asshole, but it does get on my nerves when people use shot and shoot interchangeably

think about this:
paint=noun ; painting=verb
would you say: "I need green painting" or "I need green paint"?

you would say "I need green paint" just like you would say "Im working on my shot" and not "Im working on my shoot."