Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by fernandom, May 14, 2014.
Chris Weidman is the most complete middleweight of all time.
hahah, you know what I meant.
Weidman was a threat because he was young and undefeated. AS was already looking vulnerable in both Sonnen fights tbh also Andy has always struggled against wrestlers in general he would constantly get taken down.. even Travis Lutter had AS on his back.
The only difference with Chris is that he just threw punches while Anderson was taunting and one just happen to land. Personally I think with how Machida has been looking @ 185.. I don't think it's a good fight for Weidman.
I like how Weidman said he'd prefer to submit Silva because if he KO'd him people would say he just got lucky.
Agreed. Well stated.
No he didn't. Chael was about the only one. AS fought Weidman the same way he always fights. Silva was losing the clinch wars too in the 2nd fight.
prime 27 years old Anderson Silva lost to Daiju Takase nuff said.
Weidman is just Full MMA, Silva is just another Bruce Lee MMA.
Weidman vs Silva is like Goku vs Frieza.
He DID fight like this against most people. Just watch his fights.
One fight prior he was doing the EXACT same thing.
Yep, and so did most fighters who have ever trained with Weidman.
Weidman is simply the best fighter to ever hold the UFC MW belt. When he became the #1 contender, Anderson knew he was in big trouble and tried to duck anyway he could, until he was left with no other choice but to take the fight, and conviniently after Weidman was coming off two surgeries. Then the inevitable happened.
Weidman is just on another level.
So damn true. Every new contender was the "bad matchup" for Anderson.
Dan Henderson - Tough chin and great wrestling. Terrible matchup for Anderson.
Chael Sonnen - Perhaps the best wrestlers at MW. Anderson's achilles' heel.
Vitor - Anderson never beat any strikers before, his haters proclaimed before the Vitor fight.
Oh and don't forget Yushin Okami! Ooh he beat Anderson once, he's definitely beating him again.
Idk why people found this surprising. Silva had major trouble with Sonnen, Weidmans literally a younger hungrier version of Sonnen, that can actually strike. Some people are just born to be champs and have that natural gift to pick up things fast, other people can see this hence why you had people like GSP and Serra predicting this years ago. Everybody he's trained with have noted he picks up techniques ungodly fast. People think if he didn't clown it would have went differently, nope Weidman woulda went right back to his wrestling and did to Anderson what Sonnen did for 5 rounds accept with a shit ton more power in the GnP. Loved Anderson but Weidman had his number.
To be honest none of those were bad match-ups for A. Silva.
Henderson was more of a brawler than a MMA wrestler. 185 didn't seem to suit him well either. His gas tank was suspect. He lost to Misaki beforehand, and was outwrestled and beaten by Shields afterwards. He was coming off a loss to Page at LHW too.
Sonnen had good wrestling, but was pillow handed and his sub defense was subpar. He had been subbed 7 times before Anderson, and out of all the fighters that subbed him, Silva was the one who took the longest time and the most damage.
Vitor is the best striker Silva defeated, but he's not a great striker. He was outstruck by a nobody at Cage Rage. He was also dropped by the likes of Tito & Sakuraba. Not to mention Silva fought probably the worst version of Vitor ever. Pre TRT, coming off a shoulder surgery and a year and a half of inactivity.
Okami was just decent, and tailor made for Silva.
In contrast, Weidman was a young and hungry wrestler, undefeated, big, who Silva didn't advantage with reach, a finisher, and with good subs. Chris was simply a nightmare match-up for Silva, and he knew it. That's why Silva tried to duck him so badly.
It's easy to say that now.
Get your facts straight and learn to understand what "ducking" means kiddo.
It was obvious to anyone, long before the fight happened, how Anderson fans would act should he lose that fight... and the one after.
Weidman beats SIlva 10/10 times... Machida should be a tough challenge for him though.
Silva ducked Weidman that is a fact.
the more you prepare the luckier you are
it's not difficult to see that Weidman was prepared to beat Anderson anywhere and everywhere the fight goes
This is one of the most tainted fights in MMA history. Silva is one of the most polarizing fighters of all time; he has as many haters as he does huggers, which is to say a metric fuck ton. There is pretty much no one discussing this fight without bias. You have the Silva huggers who will claim he's way out of prime, was mentally worn out, or he didn't take Weidman seriously, but then you also have the haters who claim that Silva has a weak ground game and TDD, fought in the weakest division EVAR!!!!!!, and cherry picked his opponents.
In reality, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
1) Weidman is a bad match up for Silva given his high level wrestling and ground game, however, Silva was not as outmatched on the ground as many predicted before the fight. He fended off the lone sub attempt and was not mounted by Chris, despite being mounted by other opponents in the past. He did take some heavy shots on the ground in both fights, but was also able to get back to his feet and defended the majority of the takedowns across both fights. Chris soundly beat him on the ground, but Silva wasn't effortlessly subbed or GnP TKO'd as many people predicted going in to the bout.
2) Silva was 38 years old when he fought Weidman and has had many, many years in the fight game. It only serves to discredit Weidman to say Silva was out of prime when he lost, but it seems disingenuous to suggest that the best version of Silva we've ever seen showed up to fight Weidman when Fedor and GSP fans adamantly claim that their guy was out of prime when he lost, or nearly lost in GSP's case. Still, Silva is not an easy fight for anyone regardless of his age. I don't think anyone else at MW other than Chris Weidman would've beaten Silva at 162.
Can the Silva huggers accept that Weidman is damn good and had the right tools for the job to dethrone Silva? And can the haters accept that Silva may not have been a spring chicken when Weidman beat him?
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