Weak vs strong people recovery between sets

[biscuitsbrah]

So let’s say person A is lifting for strength, they deadlift 600 lbs for 5 and thats near failure. Very taxing, so to recover for the next set they need ~5 minutes.

Person B is much weaker. He can only deadlift 2 plates for 5 to near failure.
Does he still need as much rest time as person A?

Technically he’s exerting the same amount of effort. But the weight is so much lower I feel like Person A could use 6 minutes rest, while Person B could use 2 minutes.

What do you think?

 

[gspieler]

It’s all relative, IMO. A 5RM is a 5RM. The better predictor of recovery needs(again, IMO) is cardiac efficiency. The lifter with high stroke volume and abundance of aerobic enzymes will recover faster than the lifter who has no cardio.

 

[Ian Coe]

It’s all relative, IMO. A 5RM is a 5RM. The better predictor of recovery needs(again, IMO) is cardiac efficiency. The lifter with high stroke volume and abundance of aerobic enzymes will recover faster than the lifter who has no cardio.

I think the problem historically is people see cardio as something hard and taxing.
Like all things, it depends on the individual and their goals.

Steady state for medium length periods will aid recovery and increase aerobic capacity.

Long / hard cardio will become a increased stressor and detract from the heavy lifting recovery.

For the OP, I'm in agreement with gspieler. If equal relative effort, the amount of time to be fully recovered will be equal, being agnostic of the general fitness level.

 

[Oblivian]

I definitely feel that heavier weight is more taxing and that's it's not just relative. Furthermore, you are often doing more sets on the way up to the top set when you are lifting heavier.

 

[Poon Goon]

I don't know about between sets, but I don't think it's uncommon to see programming recommendations change for this reason. Got 531 Forever for Christmas and there are some variations that he wouldn't recommend for advanced lifters because the weights would be too high for them based off the percentages and it would be too hard to recover from.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Weaker people have less efficient CNS so they are never really lifting to a comparable level of a stronger person. The first strength adaptations that take place when someone starts lifting is due to improvements in CNS.

Forget 5 minutes. When maxing, even 30-60 min could be a reasonable amount of time between sets.

"In an excellent chapter on Paul's training and diet, Randy Strossen writes that Anderson recognized early on that "the legs and back were the key to one's strength." As mentioned above, his early training was devoted mainly to the squat. "Paul combined short, intense workouts throughout the day, with periods of rest," Strossen writes. For example, he would do 10 reps in the squat with 600, rest for about 30 minutes, and then do a second set of 10. After another 30 minutes rest, he would increase the weight to 825 and do three reps, rest again and do two more reps with 845. Then he would rest again and conclude by doing half squats with 1200 for 2 or 3 reps and quarter squats with 1800. The whole routine took three hours or more. He would sip milk during the rest periods, consuming a gallon or more throughout the course of the day."

https://www.cbass.com/ANDERSON.HTM

 

[Fahcough]

What rocks the CNS more, weight taxing body stability or exertion used to move it?

 

[1rawdog]

Holy crap, most on point thread in this sub for a while.

In addition to what's already been stated the guy who is pulling 600lbs will very likely have a lot more muscle mass. That is an important part of the equation when considering the load on other systems already mentioned. Even if both subjects have those systems functioning at a very high percentile compared to the general population I'd assume there is a point of diminishing efficiency of servicing that extra tissue, the 600 guy likely needs more rest from that alone. He is exerting more effort.

 

[Sano]

It’s all relative, IMO. A 5RM is a 5RM. The better predictor of recovery needs(again, IMO) is cardiac efficiency. The lifter with high stroke volume and abundance of aerobic enzymes will recover faster than the lifter who has no cardio.

I definitely feel that heavier weight is more taxing and that's it's not just relative. Furthermore, you are often doing more sets on the way up to the top set when you are lifting heavier.

Yes and Yes.

 

[RedNeckJiuJitsu]

When I started lifting after a short time I could do just a minute or two between sets. Now, even when I've been lifting consistently, if I'm going fairly heavy, I'm at least 3 minutes between sets, more on maxing, and I'm sub 1300 big 3 total...
But I do believe from past experience that better baseline cardio would aid my between set recovery, but only to a point.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

What rocks the CNS more, weight taxing body stability or exertion used to move it?

If you mean like the isometrics at the top of a deadlift, if you pause at the top that shit is super taxing on your cns

 

[Fahcough]

If you mean like the isometrics at the top of a deadlift, if you pause at the top that shit is super taxing on your cns

Weight just feels different depending what you're doing with it. Doing a squat walk out 3xs body feels heavier than Yoke carry 3x body. Could just be the way it's mounted too.