We are frustraded because we like to see fighters not players

[StanClarker]

I gave ya'll an alternative... but alas no balls.

 

[Randlewand]

Maybe Jorge should be physically strong enough to prevent getting bodied lol

Jorge got dry raped. Colby was enough of a fighter to actually challenge Usman.

 

[ManjesterUnited]

So you enjoy seeing other humans get hurt when they dont have to?

It's a sport and sometimes fighters get hurt and other times they don't. I'm interested in the sport not the "just bleed" aspect so I'm fine regardless of how it turns out.

Some of you guys pretend to sympathize about Fighter CTE yet you whine when there isn't a war, bloodbath etc

You only taking in consideration knock outs.... A Grappler should be able to finish by submission. But wrestlers just want to Hug

 

[Ackmed]

You only taking in consideration knock outs.... A Grappler should be able to finish by submission. But wrestlers just want to Hug

If he was able to he would have subbed him.

Why dont you get upset at Masdival for not being able to do anything to Usman?

 

[Fahcough]

Some fight to win, some train not to lose.
Wrestlers don't finish anything in NCAA, the point is to out hump the other singlet. They are 1 pair of shorts away from being on YouPorn

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Jorge got dry raped. Colby was enough of a fighter to actually challenge Usman.

Yep. The only wrestler Jorge ever beat was Askren by a flying knee he wouldn't land in another 100 fights. Him and his braindead fans are using the '6 days notice' excuse like we all knew they would.

Hey Jorge, maybe don't duck the title fight next time so you can get a full camp. Good plan, eh?

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Maybe Jorge should be physically strong enough to prevent getting bodied lol

True, Masvisdal should have been better able to escape the clinch. The clinch itself, as with the guard on the ground, should be considered a neutral position. My criticism of Usman is that he didn't mount a lot of offense from the clinch. He did land some good body shots, but mostly he stomped the feet and did shoulder bumps to look busy and fool the ref into letting the stalemate persist. My criticism of the sport is that the judges see holding a guy in the clinch as winning, and they shouldn't.

Regardless of all that, Masvidal didn't win the fight under any rule set imo.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Some fight to win, some train not to lose.
Wrestlers don't finish anything in NCAA, the point is to out hump the other singlet. They are 1 pair of shorts away from being on YouPorn

Maybe some fighters should learn how to do something about it

 

[datfnguy]

There are a few things at play. On one hand fighters don't realize that sports aren't real and are little more than creations for our entertainment which makes them entertainers first and foremost. On the other hand fans forget that mixed martial arts like many sports are bound to have boring moments.
Collegiate wrestling was never a brutal sport and MMA or the UFC for that matter has rule changed itself over the years to the point wrestlers were the toughest fighters to beat. Nick Diaz has been trying to tell us this for years

 

[Randlewand]

Yep. The only wrestler Jorge ever beat was Askren by a flying knee he wouldn't land in another 100 fights. Him and his braindead fans are using the '6 days notice' excuse like we all knew they would.

Hey Jorge, maybe don't duck the title fight next time so you can get a full camp. Good plan, eh?

Sherdoggers bought the UFC hypemachine hook, line, and sinker. The fallout and excuses today have been hilarious.

 

[ManjesterUnited]

If he was able to he would have subbed him.

Why dont you get upset at Masdival for not being able to do anything to Usman?

If you look at the human body, muscles used to Hug are stronger than muscles used to pull people away. This is why on people equally strong, the hugger always have an advantage. It is an anti-sportmanship. I like Khabib because he is extremely active while hugging, changing positions creating some distance to punch. He not glue his chest to his opponent and wait and do some little punches or stomps to fake that he is not active.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

There are a few things at play. On one hand fighters don't realize that sports aren't real and are little more than creations for our entertainment which makes them entertainers first and foremost. On the other hand fans forget that mixed martial arts like many sports are bound to have boring moments.
Collegiate wrestling was never a brutal sport and MMA or the UFC for that matter has rule changed itself over the years to the point wrestlers were the toughest fighters to beat. Nick Diaz has been trying to tell us this for years

I don't think this is the issue. There's plenty of slow fights and people understand that. It's that Usman's strategy was stall. That deserves criticism.

 

[datfnguy]

Thank you for making another thread about this. The several hundred pages on this topic were too long to read.

Or you could just ignore this one. I have a life and am not on here much so for me this was cool. First one I saw on the topic

 

[Sjb1888]

He's just another anti fighter to me, doesn't matter how many wins/defenses he and others like him rack up over the years, I will never regard them in the same lofty position as the guys who go out and take risks to finish and entertain us.

He's completely forgettable to me and I question what his fans enjoy about him other than success...?

 

[Scurvydawg]

Don't hate the player. Hate the sport. He found a way to win without taking much damage. That is the name of the game. Sure lots don't like it but it will never change and has been this way for quite awhile.

MMA is also not the only sport where athletes take this mindset. In boxing some of the best fighters ever were known more for their defensive prowess then their offence. From Ali's ropa-dope to Mayweather's bobbing and dodging. This carries over to great teams in Hockey, Basketball, Soccer and football to. Defence and smart play can win if done proper. If you cannot touch your opponent, the ball or the puck, then you probably won't win. For whatever reason though athletes in other sports with insane defence who take less punishment are known as the GOATS, Hall of famers and legends for their skill. In MMA the just bleed fans call em wrastle humpers and wall and stallers. Boring fighters and runners. So go figure. I think it shows the mindset of the fans more then anything. A lot of us are still cavemen who crave stomping peoples heads into the ground and Pride fights that pretty much resemble a hockey scrap. We still get the rare brawls but for the most part the fight game has evolved.

UFC is the highest skill set of the MMA scene. So they have the smartest fighters who are coached to win at all costs. The amateur org's still have the insane brawls with lots of mistakes that result in just bleed orgasms. The UFC though is a different story. These guys study each others every fight. Train to specifically nullify each others weaknesses. Watch tape after tape with their coaches. looking for that hidden weakness to surface. When their is this much money,pride and honor on the line you fight smart or you retire poor and defeated. Can't blame the fighters for winning.

It is not like last nights fight was Wonderboy Vs Woodley. It was not a bad scrap. Had its moments. They both exchanged. Champ fought smart and kept his title. He would have been a fool to go toe to toe with a knockout specialist for 25 minutes. It may have been more entertaining to us but all it would have done for Usman was give him a big headache and a title loss. Masdival knew what he had to do to win. He could not do it. He stood his ground though and gave it his all. That is all you can ask of either guy.

 

[DebtCollectorMMA]

Fuck the sport. As a viewer I'm trying to be entertained. The viewers make the events possible. These wrestlers are costing us numerous matchups / potential stand up wars, and the UFC is always derailing their own hype trains because of their striker vs grappler match-up fetish.

 

[azhiker]

He did try. How many people on earth have finished Jorge?

Jorge is an amazing fighter. Very good at everything including defensive wrestling.

It is much easier to keep from being finished than trying to escape. Add to this, Usman himself had hardly any time to prepare to finish Jorge.

 

[datfnguy]

I think you are underestimating how good Masvidal is. Masivdal is tough. He took a beating and was still swinging hard at the end of the fifth round. Usman finished Colby and he brutalized Woodley. He didn't lay and pray on Woodley he butchered him for 5 rounds. It was an absolute massacre. Masvidal was a very game opponent. He was also very well prepared, I don't care that he says otherwise. Why there is so much hate on the greatness of Usman I don't really understand.

I think you are mistaking good with tough. Masvidal is very beatable, very beatable. I honestly don't think he has the fight IQ to turn the tables an the majority of people who beat him in the past, he just locked out and got put in there with a couple of also beatable fighters and one who as it turned out masked being beatable by fighting in the B league. He's Cowboy Ceronne and nothing more

 

[datfnguy]

I don't think this is the issue. There's plenty of slow fights and people understand that. It's that Usman's strategy was stall. That deserves criticism.

I agree that his strategy was stall, but that's because he's far better at a wrestler than striker and there was no point in finding out how much better a striker Jorge was. We all seen this work for GSP and for the most part Khabib so why would Usman do any different? Trust me I hate it, but I also get it.

 

[kuroro]

Only because Colby negated Usman's wrestling, it's a rare one off deal.

how did he negate it if they never wrestled?