WashPo Editorial: "The CIA funded a culture war against communism. It should do so again."

[Trotsky]

Im talking about genocides and dictatorship. Can u read?

Millions died from genocides perpetuate by communists.

So...forcible direct killings of citizens by government agents on the basis of ethnic group or race?

In that case, you won't even get close to a fraction of your figure. Even if you expand the term "genocide" to include all direct democide, you'd be lucky to get a fifth of the way there.

 

[DIDM]

If you think the CIA ever stopped you are a fool

 

[JonnyRingo84]

So that fact, that communism didn´t work anywhere in the history of earth, and everywere they did have it was a totalitarian regime in not a evidence itself, that communism is bad.

isnt vietnam currently communist? china is sort of communist. cuba. cuba isnt a place that id like to live, but its hardly an example of mass genocide like you seemed to imply is an inevitability with communism.

Okay bro, the same way i can say, there is nowhere written the nazism is supose to be about genocides. Tough nazism is also socialist, shit socialism is always worst in every spectre.

nazis were not socialists. yea, they called themselves national socialists, but that was a marketing tactic. kinda like how north korea currently calls itself a republic lol.

socialists seek to use the power of govt to make people more equal. fascists (nazis) use the power of govt to intentionally stratify society. the last thing they want is equality. thats why they killed socialists and communists in large numbers.

 

[b-hop]

isnt vietnam currently communist? china is sort of communist. cuba. cuba isnt a place that id like to live, but its hardly an example of mass genocide like you seemed to imply is an inevitability with communism.



nazis were not socialists. yea, they called themselves national socialists, but that was a marketing tactic. kinda like how north korea currently calls itself a republic lol.

socialists seek to use the power of govt to make people more equal. fascists (nazis) use the power of govt to intentionally stratify society. the last thing they want is equality. thats why they killed socialists and communists in large numbers.

Vietnam and Cuba are shitholes.

And do u have the notion, of Fidel firing squads? Thousands came to the US because of Castro Regime.

Nazist were very economically socialists, and they were very political collectivist as socialists, safe to say they were socialists.

Communists use the power of the govt to force everyone being equal with the same goals,same beliefs, padronize people, and everyone that don´t fit that has to be killed or put away,strain personal choices and freedom, is opression.

Another side of the same coin of a fascist.

 

[NoDak]

For example the nazis were socialist in many ways and other ways were not. Some on hard left say they were not socialist because they didnt believe in sharing wealth for everyone but that depends who you define as a citizen and worthy of which privilege. If one group is illegal or considered subhuman then there is no issue to not help them or attack them by the state.

Yeah, aside from the (populist) ethno-nationalist sentiment and massive doses of propaganda, the NSDAP actually did promote and implement placing the interests of the country as a whole before those of municipalities, a reduction of class distinction in both a monetary and humanitarian sense, full employment, free education, massive public works programs, improved social services and family welfare, pro-environmental legislation, emphasis on health and physical fitness, animal rights, etc.

Unfortunately for them and everyone else, they were also ideologically hyper-militaristic and genocidal from the beginning, enacting policies to match once they took power and that gets about 100% of the attention, as it probably should I suppose.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Vietnam and Cuba are shitholes.

maybe, but if youll remember, im not attempting to defend communism. i originally responded to you because you seemed to be implying that communism inevitably leads to genocides or something.

And do u have the notion, of Fidel firing squads? Thousands came to the US because of Castro Regime.

yea. things have quieted down quite a bit in recent decades there in that regard havent they?

Nazist were very economically socialists, and they were very political collectivist as socialists, safe to say they were socialists.

no, for the reasons that i already mentioned. do you dispute those reasons?

Communists use the power of the govt to force everyone being equal with the same goals,same beliefs, padronize people, and everyone that don´t fit that has to be killed or put away,strain personal choices and freedom, is opression.

Another side of the same coin of a fascist.

so in your world, what is the difference between communists and fascists?

 

[b-hop]

maybe, but if youll remember, im not attempting to defend communism. i originally responded to you because you seemed to be implying that communism inevitably leads to genocides or something.



yea. things have quieted down quite a bit in recent decades there in that regard havent they?



no, for the reasons that i already mentioned. do you dispute those reasons?



so in your world, what is the difference between communists and fascists?

Communism indeed leads to totalitarian government and by that usually follows misery, persecuctions and genocides/killings.

Absolutely none, no difference at all.
Actually they are worse, Nazi Germany, or Fascist Italia were much better in terms of economics and life quality than their communist counterparts.

 

[Trotsky]

Communism indeed leads to totalitarian government and by that usually follows misery, persecuctions and genocides/killings.

Absolutely none, no difference at all.
Actually they are worse, Nazi Germany, or Fascist Italia were much better in terms of economics and life quality than their communist counterparts.

You are literally the epitome of the doom facing democracy.

 

[NoDak]

Absolutely none, no difference at all.
Actually they are worse, Nazi Germany, or Fascist Italia were much better in terms of economics and life quality than their communist counterparts.

The Nazis provided a high quality of life to their citizenry and let no one starve or freeze on the streets but also enjoyed widespread, enthusiastic support. That's apparent by the degree they held public favor not only during the 'economic miracle' and early war successes, but even through the overwhelming reversal of fortune and adversity experienced to the bitter end. The tangible amount of "resistance" was pretty laughable.

An outfit like the Gestapo wouldn't even have been able to function effectively without the cooperation if not collaboration of large segments of society and the scale in which the concentration camps were run - the first opening in 1933 no less - and Holocaust was carried out wouldn't of been possible. Lots of people were down with ideas of radical nationalism, racial hygiene, aggressive imperialist foreign policy and ultimately genocide.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Communism indeed leads to totalitarian government and by that usually follows misery, persecuctions and genocides/killings.

Absolutely none, no difference at all.
Actually they are worse, Nazi Germany, or Fascist Italia were much better in terms of economics and life quality than their communist counterparts.

so if there is no difference, then how were those two so much better than the....communists? why did hitler aim to kill so many communists?

 

[DespicablePeep]

It's attributed to things like famine, poverty, war, illness -- .

Holodomor was part of communism.

Capitalism and democracy have many success stories, countries that tried to follow Marx have only death and poverty behind.

And your numbers of deaths because of famine during the great depression are bullshit.

 

[Trotsky]

Holodomor was part of communism

No, it wasn't. Artificial famine can be performed in capitalist systems.

Capitalism and democracy have many success stories, countries that tried to follow Marx have only death and poverty behind.

Again, not true. Marx and Marxian politics and policy had profound impact on just about all the major Western countries. It was Marxian policies that mobilized labor rights/organization, workplace pluralism, and consumer protections.

You're conflating Marxism with state capitalist command economy.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Communism is incompatible with American ideals. We should all fight back against this ugly plague before it is too late.

 

[DespicablePeep]

No, it wasn't. .

It was, Stalin wanted to hid the Kulaks so he could control the means of production that led to death of millions.

Marx and Marxian politics and policy had profound impact on just about all the major Western countries. It was Marxian policies that mobilized labor rights/organization, workplace pluralism, and consumer protections.

Despite all the revolution, deaths and failed states we had the influence of labour rights. I guess that erases all the innefiencies and deaths of Marxism lol

Also England is responsible for much of the modern labour laws, way before Marx was born.

And Iike how you say it was never communism in any of those countries.

 

[b-hop]

You are literally the epitome of the doom facing democracy.

Said the communist.

 

[lfd0311]

Crying as in telling you "Source or shut the fuck up"? Yes, that one. Where you neither provided a source, despite talking in circles for 30 pages, nor (of course) shut the fuck up.



You're not going to post the evidence, because it does not exist. You've spent thousands of words claiming it does but refusing to provide it.
And you're not going to own up to your direct quotes, because you lack the courage.
And you won't just slink your way out of the discussion because you lack the shame and are too petty to not have the last word.

Yes, that one. Where you misunderstood my point, it was pointed out to you and you ran away crying. That one.

EDIT: I live so deep inside inside your mind that you've spent 7 pages of a thread you made about a different subject talking about a totally different thread and even had to tag some friends in for help. You're coming totally unwound.

 

[Trotsky]

Yes, that one. Where you misunderstood my point, it was pointed out to you and you ran away crying. That one.

EDIT: I live so deep inside inside your mind that you've spent 7 pages of a thread you made about a different subject talking about a totally different thread and even had to tag some friends in for help. You're coming totally unwound.

Dude, you're insanely pathetic. Your only argument for why you can't support your unfounded and stupid claims -- and have spent hours making posts refusing to do so or admit that you can't -- is that other people are rustled for continuing to ask you to do so.

Now take the last word. It will help you mitigate your shame.

 

[lfd0311]

Dude, you're insanely pathetic. Your only argument for why you can't support your unfounded and stupid claims -- and have spent hours making posts refusing to do so or admit that you can't -- is that other people are rustled for continuing to ask you to do so.

Case in point. You're so rustled you're still talking about a week later, in another thread.

Now take the last word. It will help you mitigate your shame.

LOL, pure comedy gold. It's like a little bit of rational thought creeped into your mind at the last second, and you realized you were doing exactly what I said you were doing, and, despite the fact that you couldn't let it go and just not send one last reply, you had to do something to attempt to save face. Shame on you, Trotsky, you failed again.

 

[Tycho- Taylor's Version]

Not sure if the actual film has been discussed at all but Sorry to Bother You, in addition to being overtly political, got pretty damn wacky by the end.