Was the Struve loss "best thing" for Stipe's career?

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Reading the "I can't believe _____ has a win over ____" thread and seeing Struve/Stipe mentioned a few times reminded me of something a friend and coworker of Miocic had to say on a podcast (The Official Waiting For Next Year Podcast #500) :

“You really look at the Struve fight, and that’s where...you know, Stipe said it after that fight, he told a lot of people the same thing, that fight was probably the best thing that could have happened to his career. He had started reading his own press a little bit and, you know, getting that little bit of a bigger head, and it humbled him. It made him taste what defeat felt like, the first time that he had had to taste that in a long time, and it really fueled him. He’s a hundred percent more well-rounded than he was then, and it shows.”

“The best thing that could have happened” sounds like a bandage on a butthurt. Yet...he did improve markedly from that point. He hasn’t been finished since, and his only other loss was a valiant battle that armchair scorers still debate. Now he’s wearing the belt.

I can imagine an alternate universe where Stipe won the Struve fight, and continued to soak in the hype until the rot set in. When the inevitable defeat eventually happened he would be more than humbled, he would be humiliated. Devastated. He’d gone too long without mentally stretching himself, and no longer had the resilience to snap back. Miocic ends up as full-time firefighter, not heavyweight champ.

So: do you believe that there are times and circumstances when losing a fight, especially unexpectedly, helps a career more than if it was won? If so, can you name other examples?
 
I think beating Werdum was the best thing for his career...
 
generally most great fighters have a few losses on their records because learning their weaknesses and working on them makes them a better fighter

Cruz lost to Faber and went on to be the best BW of all time
 
The JDS brawl when he learned he could hang with the big boys was "best thing for him"
 
Yes. It will help him prepare for the ass whoopin Reem is handing him.
 
Remember thinking he should beat him no problem in the 1st round, then he got KO'd, and was like wtf this guy sucks.

How far he's come.
 
No, lol

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He seemed to improve following that experience.

Some fighters seem to tighten up any weaknesses after certain losses - Hughes / Hallman, Rutten / Ken, Tito / Frank, Barnett / Rizzo...

And some fighters grab a purple pillow...

Stipe seems to be one of the former group...
 
the Struve loss was embarrassing imo but hey ho, who am I?

I'd think the JDS loss would've been the best thing for him as it showed he could compete at the highest levels in the UFC, he came close to beating JDS that fight
 
He gained a lot of sympathy for Alexander Gustaffson's opponents that night, seeing as it was an eyepoke that led to the finish.
 
beating or losing to an unusual opponent doesnt really factor into your ability to beat the rest of the division. for whatever reason, struve was able to beat him.
 
No because I think it was just a bad day at the office for him. I don't have reason to believe it led to a revelation in his preparation.
 
the Struve loss was embarrassing imo but hey ho, who am I?

I'd think the JDS loss would've been the best thing for him as it showed he could compete at the highest levels in the UFC, he came close to beating JDS that fight

But...if he had not been embarrassed by the Struve loss into working harder than he might have otherwise, would Stipe have come so close? Would he have lost much more decisively, subconsciously assume he'd hit his ceiling (it's JDS after all, a far more understandable opponent to fail against than Struve), and settled into a gatekeeper role?

Look, I know this could all be a slithery pile of psychological bullshit. But a fighter is more than an assemblage of body parts and techniques.
 
He gained a lot of sympathy for Alexander Gustaffson's opponents that night, seeing as it was an eyepoke that led to the finish.
Gus' opponents??? Are you kidding me? Gus is not the king of eyepokes. We all know who is. The only fighter that could make Larry, curly, moe and shemp blush.
 
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