Was that the death knell of boxing?

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Weak PPV...not in sales,just in action.
Honestly..after Mayweather,what does boxing offer the casual fan?
 
It sure as hell didn't draw any new fans.
 
Cotto v Canelo v GGG saga is pretty damn compelling. It sure as hell didn't help boxing, but very few fans were lost over this.

This was a damn good fight.
 
It sure as hell didn't draw any new fans.

I been following boxing for a long time and it does help the sport. Even if it went to decision most people who watched the fight were entertained. I been following up what boxing world been saying and they where happy even if they wanted Pac to win. People who don't follow boxing but follow MMA will be disappointed because it was not going out to appeal to the just bleed crowd. It was technical boxing being put on display. The outcome was pretty much where most expected it to be even if they where routing for Pac.
 
No, not even close. When you have exciting champions like Klitschko and Mayweather people will always look forward to watching some good ol boxing!


LOL, who am I kidding, I hope that obsolete sport keeps on dying.
 
I been following boxing for a long time and it does help the sport. Even if it went to decision most people who watched the fight were entertained. I been following up what boxing world been saying and they where happy even if they wanted Pac to win. People who don't follow boxing but follow MMA will be disappointed because it was not going out to appeal to the just bleed crowd. It was technical boxing being put on display. The outcome was pretty much where most expected it to be even if they where routing for Pac.

The only way it helps the sport IMO is the money it drew/will draw.

There's no way the majority of people watching boxing for the first time were satisfied, let alone happy and excited with that, especially if they paid a shitload of money for it.
 
This was the first boxing fight I watched since Tyson-Holyfield, and I certainly won't watch another fight until it's a mega fight. As an MMA fan for 12-13 years, it was very weird seeing a fight where barely any punches land, and barely any hard punches at all. I've never been able to understand the beauty with boxing as there are too many disruptions with hugging and doing absolutely nothing. This fight probably did not win over any casual fans at all. It was also interesting that the three rounds I had Pacman winning, were quite decisive. The rounds Mayweather won were quite close - it was clear that Mayweather won them, but 1-2 hard punches or a flurry from Pacman I believe would have won him the round. At least when judging the fight with my MMA goggles. Pretty shitty fight but at least it was more entertaining than an MMA fighter getting wrestle fucked.
 
Boxing isn't going anywhere. I don't understand how some people think a sport that has been around for centuries is just going to magically go away because someone retires or a megafight isn't packed with action...

There will be new boxing stars, there will be a new megafight years from now. That is the nature of the beast. Boxing is truly an international sport. I have had the pleasure to sit in crowds of fans at live events, the sport is healthy and fills stadiums and arenas from Asia to Europe...
 
I been following boxing for a long time and it does help the sport. Even if it went to decision most people who watched the fight were entertained. I been following up what boxing world been saying and they where happy even if they wanted Pac to win. People who don't follow boxing but follow MMA will be disappointed because it was not going out to appeal to the just bleed crowd. It was technical boxing being put on display. The outcome was pretty much where most expected it to be even if they where routing for Pac.

Yeah. It was precisely what most boxing fans knew was going to happen.

I will say that I think a fight like that hurts with new/potential fans of the sport not because it's boring, but because you need to have watched a little bit of boxing to actually see that Pac was getting handled easily.

A lot of people get turned off when they think a fight looks close, or think the loser is maybe winning and then find out he's being easily beaten. It makes them think there's either something wrong with the sport or with their own ability to watch the sport.

People don't get that you need to put a bit of time in to be able to really judge the difference between a single clean shot to the face and a flurry of punches to the elbows and shoulders.
 
The only way it helps the sport IMO is the money it drew/will draw.

There's no way the majority of people watching boxing for the first time were satisfied, let alone happy and excited with that, especially if they paid a shitload of money for it.

The amount if money it drew literally helps fewer than half a dozen guys...
 
Are you kidding me? Boxing popularity is on the rise. I would argue that MMA might be on the decline. Look at the dwindling UFC ppv numbers. Over and over people try to signal the decline of boxing and highlight that MMA is the torch bearer and the future yet in the past 5 years, how many million buy days has the sport had? Even 500,000 buy days? Boxing isn't going anywhere and nothing is taking the torch.
 
boxing regulars must go through hell right now.
 
I'm not a huge boxing fan, but I liked the fight better than most GSP and Diego Sanchez fights.
 
Alright so who are those 5 (or less) people?

Floyd Jr, Floyd Sr, Pac, Freddy Roach...

That's all I can think of, really. Some Vegas guys made bank... not sure they count as helping "boxing" get a payday.
 
No, not even close. When you have exciting champions like Klitschko and Mayweather people will always look forward to watching some good ol boxing!


LOL, who am I kidding, I hope that obsolete sport keeps on dying.

Boxing is so dead that Mayweather only earned over 100 million from this fight. So so dead boxing is.
 
Feels different to me this time. The problem is this fight has gathered more attention than it should have. It will only re-enforce and increasingly horrible negative trend. Whereas typically boxing "torches" get passed down so-to-speak such as De La Hoya passing it on to both Pacquiao and Mayweather, there is nobody for Pacquaio and Mayweather to pass anything on to.

I've been a big boxing fan longer than most people on this board have been alive. I can tell you Sugar Ray Leonard started the downward trend in boxing, Roy Jones took it to another level, and Mayweather / Pacquaio has pretty much given it a death blow in my book.

Never in my dreams did I ever imagine not caring or bothering to watch what would be such a hugely grossing fight. But I just didn't care. I can understand why others did care, but these guys are combined older than the Geezers at Caesars fight. They avoided fighting each other earlier so that they could make money on weaker opposition without taking any risk until they're both almost 40. Really akin to the Roy Jones Jr vs. Bernard Hopkins rematch that got inked 5-8 years later than in should have. At the end of the day, this fight to me was like going to a restaurant and someone asking me to buy a kobe beef steak at full price when I knew it was no longer even close to being fresh.

Sure, selective matchmaking has always been big in the sport, but now it's just to the point where it's absurd. Worthy of ridicule. Tonnes of undefeated world champions, but too many for everyday people to keep track of, and those that do track generally have the intelligence to know they're overwhelmingly not very good.

Boxing is so blatantly corrupt now in terms of negotiation tactics and match-making there's hardly anyone in their right mind willing to give the sport a chance and as a result there's a major dearth of good young talent.

Sure, I'm just one person, and Mayweather or Pacquiao aren't going to be upset I didn't watch their "mega-fight" and the world keeps turning, but I don't think anyone can deny this fight was as big as it was because it captures the masses who really don't care about boxing - or I should say care enough only to watch a mega-hyped fight once or twice a year. But these people will hardly watch other fights.

That in a nutshell is what's causing the downward spiral. Boxing superstars know their marketability goes down A LOT with a single loss because it takes away so much hype and loses that big slice of casual fans that give those mega-big PPV numbers. So we get into all these idiotic long winded ducking discussions. That does not lead to stronger structural interest in the sport. I won't be a hypocrite and say if I was in Mayweather's or Pacquaio's shoes I wouldn't do the same things - but overall this whole ordeal has not been good for the sport.
 
Death knell? No. Did it help the sport? No.

For people that are casual fans, or who are long time fans that had left the fold, this fight high lighted many of the things wrong with Boxing.

- 12 rounds of point fighting
- happened way too late after their primes
- no real aggression, damage or sense of resolution
- price point way too high

Was it a display of technical wizardry? Sure. In the same way that "Lay and Pray" or "Wall stalling" is a display of technical wizardry. It takes a high level of skill, but when you see it it sure feels like the person is trying to "win" versus trying to "Win".

It sure didn't feel like the "winner" was making any attempt to control the ring, push the pace or knock out the loser. As generally entertaining products go, it failed miserably and probably set back boxing half a generation.
 
Boxing is doing great right now. PBC has been putting up good fights and promoting some the younger talent.
 
It didn't do anything to hurt boxing's standing with boxing fans. They love super technical bouts where a whole bunch of incredible stuff almost happened, but didn't.

As for the rest of the world's population, they tuned in due to the hype, were mostly confused and bored, and will now go back to not watching boxing.

No, boxing isn't dying. But a few more incredibly successful fights like this and it might be.
 
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