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Was Cruz really ever that good??

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  1. Ar145984 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Good but his boxing is mediocore. Leaves himself open for counters
     
  3. Rod Farva War Big Nog!

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    Yes. He was good at outscoring his opponent. He came up short last night but he won those other bouts fair and square.
     
  4. VAfan Gold Belt

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    he was and is one of the greats but posts to that effect are definitely going to be popping up from now on, for sure.

    with the exception of gsp, everyone loses at the end of their career - should not nullify the accomplishments that came before.
     
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    LOL Cruz was a very good champion, he's only got two losses, its not the end of the world. He was just outclassed it happens.
     
  6. HaikenEdge Rationality will win the day.

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    The fuck is with that image?
     
  7. Money509 A Level Poster

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    He was good but slightly overrated, everyone acted like he was some untouchable wizard. All it took was a guy as big as him with better technique to show he can be beaten soundly. His style got exposed a little.
     
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    He's one of the greatest and most skilled fighters ever. He hadn't faced a lot of variety in his fights, and he was out for so long - the division he ran before is nothing like this one now, fighters are much much better. Some of his flaws got exploited, but he's still an all time great
     
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    He's good. I just hate watching him decision people. Not a fan of his style or mechanics
     
  10. Davem10 Banned Banned

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    Hes very good against midgets yeh

    Cody was the first guy above 5 foot 6.5 that he fought .....

    And he got his arse kicked
     
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    The end of his career? What makes you think this is the end of his career? The guy just came back and won the title a short time ago..if anything, he's just getting started again....I think you're way off the mark.
     
  12. Mixed Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    He was better before he became injured and sat out for years. In his comebacks he beat Mizugaki, who's a scrub, beat an on his way out Faber, and squeaked by Dillashaw via SD. At this point, this is who he is. Before the injury he would've done much better against Cody.
     
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    Everyone has a bad matchup.

    I think it's safe to say that nearly any fighter would lose to "a guy as big as him with better technique."

    He was not "exposed." He is a great fighter. He didn't have his best night. His opponent put on an outstanding performance. There is no reason to detract from his career.
     
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    yes just lacked the finishing ability. his footwork is a testament to that, he's always bouncing around so he could never really plant well and torque is body into his punches.
     
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    agree 100% man, you can't win them all cause you aren't going to win them all. besides being the best is a subjective topic anyways. how you handle a loss is something to be observed though, with that said i'm sure cruz will be fighting for the belt again.
     
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    i meant towards the end of his career. and true he's only 31, i actually thought he was older than that (just checked).

    but the argument could probably be made that a younger faster version of cruz might have gotten the better of cody. the point was that you can't discount all that a fighter does in his career when he starts to slow down later on.
     
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    He's an all-timer, he just got outboxed by the better boxer last night. Also put on a clinic on how to handle yourself in a loss.
     
  18. Left Hook Lacy Green Belt

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    He was never up there with the Jon Jones, Jose Aldo etc. P4P greats. But he certainly isnt in the Miguel Torres category, either. Overall he deserves a lot of credit for being the champion for so long.
     
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    Absolutely. One of the clear greats.

    Haven't watched his post-fight comments but in the first round I thought he looked too aggressive with his combination and his movements looked a bit stunted. Though, he won the first round, my intuition told me this wasn't going to be a good fight as a Cruz fan. Therefore, I broke up way more weed than initially planned and broke out the wax. Same deal with the Weidman/Rockhold fight in the first (even before him sitting in the guillotine) and fucking Edgar/Aldo 2.
     
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    Why is nobody mentioning the random image TS posted?
     

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