Elections Warren gives details of her gun control plan

[HockeyBjj]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/01...sal-background-checks-an-assault-weapons-ban/

Elizabeth Warren posted this comment on Facebook and linked the above article, so this would presumably be very close to what she'd like to implement as president if elected

Our gun violence epidemic is a public health emergency—and we need to make big, structural changes if we want to end it. So today, I introduced the Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act in the Senate to confront this crisis head on.

*Require state or federal liscense to purchase firearm
*7 day waiting period on all guns
*21 years old to purchase any guns or ammo
*Ban similar to 2004 assault weapon ban would be re implemented
*bulk gun purchases (doesn't say how many is considered bulk) would be restricted
*Allow manufacturers to be sued in civil courts
*100 million a year for gun violence research
*100 million a year for gun violence intervention programs

Can we get a proper discussion on these items perhaps, instead of just re-used talking points like most threads?

All this push to 21 talk, smoking, guns, etc. Should just up to 21 for marriage and military enlistment

Has anyone seen any studies about how often a new gun is legally bought and used to kill within a week? I feel like this is a myth

Very dissapointed there's nothing about stricter sentences for people who actually use a gun in a crime, or a mandatory minimum for a felon in knowing possession of a gun. Those are two keys areas of gun violence that could actually bring the number of deaths down, not just make it a headache for a person with no criminal intent or history to buy a gun.

 

[The Diplomat]

*Allow manufacturers to be sued in civil courts

I have an issue with this one. At this point, McDonald's and Coke could be sued for making people fat, pretty much taking all responsibility out of the hands of the individual.

And there's nothing about a mental health system setup to where if you've been on meds, it pops up in the database. Mental health should factor in, IMO. If being a felon excludes one, then taking mind altering medication for any kind of mental problem should, as well IMO.

 

[brody_in_ga]

None of those will help in any meaningful way at all. The areas where gun violence(silly politician phrase)is prevalent, will continue to be crime ridden jungles. The fellas doing the shootings don't legally purchase their guns to begin with.

 

[brody_in_ga]

The solution to drastically reducing the gun crime numbers is rather simple, in theory. However, it will never be implemented because of certain factors.

 

[My Spot]

Would her “assault” weapons ban include a grandfather clause?

 

[PlayswellwithLawnDarts]

Will there be funding to make schools more secure. Yeah didn’t think so

 

[PlayswellwithLawnDarts]

A gun the week it is bought to kill is also most likely a Suicide. Stay safe kids

 

[Rational Poster]

None of those will help in any meaningful way at all. The areas where gun violence(silly politician phrase)is prevalent, will continue to be crime ridden jungles. The fellas doing the shootings don't legally purchase their guns to begin with.

Where do they illegally purchase guns from though?

Spoiler

(*hint: every crime gun was purchased legally at one point)

 

[HockeyBjj]

Would her “assault” weapons ban include a grandfather clause?

Seeing as it's similar to the 04 ban, I assume that it would. Doesn't sound like she's going full Beto with mandatory buy backs ie confiscation

 

[F1980]

Sounds good. Not too much at one time like some other Democrat candidates are pushing. You gotta start somewhere, and this sounds like it's a pretty good one to start off with. Democrats have been stupid on gun control for decades now. I think most people would be fine with her plan.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Where do they illegally purchase guns from though?

Spoiler

(*hint: every crime gun was purchased legally at one point)

https://everytownresearch.org/stolen-guns-pose-tremendous-risk-public-safety/

About 400,000 guns are stolen each year, many of these are what end up bouncing around the black market from criminal to criminal

Many of the guns smuggled across the border are from the US into Mexico and Central American countries, but other smuggled weapons come in from the likes of China and Russia

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/us/atf-agents-hunting-down-illegal-machine-gun-device-invs/index.html

Here's an article about 4,000 full auto conversion kits (illegal in US, unless the hard to obtain class 3 liscense) smuggled in from China that work for Glock handguns. Many had been found with prior felons.

 

[Happy Man]

Good thing that nonsense will never fly

 

[brody_in_ga]

Where do they illegally purchase guns from though?

Spoiler

(*hint: every crime gun was purchased legally at one point)

What does that matter? The amount of guns on the black market in these areas is plenty enough to keep the gangs well stocked. If you think Warrens proposed laws will do anything to prevent gang bangers from getting a gun, then I don't think youve been paying attention.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Good thing that nonsense will never fly

Blue house and senate like Trump had for two years this will definitely pass if she or the other dem candidates win the presidency.

Remains to be seen how the ensuing court battles shake out

 

[Rational Poster]

https://everytownresearch.org/stolen-guns-pose-tremendous-risk-public-safety/

About 400,000 guns are stolen each year, many of these are what end up bouncing around the black market from criminal to criminal

Many of the guns smuggled across the border are from the US into Mexico and Central American countries, but other smuggled weapons come in from the likes of China and Russia

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/us/atf-agents-hunting-down-illegal-machine-gun-device-invs/index.html

Here's an article about 4,000 full auto conversion kits (illegal in US, unless the hard to obtain class 3 liscense) smuggled in from China that work for Glock handguns. Many had been found with prior felons.

Stolen guns do make up a portion of the crime guns in circulation, but not the majority.

The reality is that when a criminal wants a gun they're not going to wait around for one to be stolen. Stealing a gun is not some exact science, you don't know which house or car is going to have one.They want it right now and they're more commonly acquired through a "legal" proxy.

 

[Rational Poster]

What does that matter? The amount of guns on the black market in these areas is plenty enough to keep the gangs well stocked. If you think Warrens proposed laws will do anything to prevent gang bangers from getting a gun, then I don't think youve been paying attention.

The goal would be to curtail the flow of legal guns into the black market. The current state certainly isn't doing enough to slow it down.

 

[Kandyland]

I'm surprised Pocahontas didn't add bow & arrows and tomahawk axes to the list.

 

[DragRacer]

“21 to buy a gun” law should be tethered to “21 to vote” as well.

Hell, let’s make it 25 for both for the next 10 years and observe the results.

 

[Cherry Brigand]

*Allow manufacturers to be sued in civil courts

This the clause that is the backdoor to removing the 2a. If the companies can be sued and found liable, there will no longer be any more manufacturers, no more gun stores, no more new guns and so forth.

Very dangerous.

 

[fedoriswar37]

“21 to buy a gun” law should be tethered to “21 to vote” as well.

Hell, let’s make it 25 for both for the next 10 years and observe the results.

Honestly don't like the idea of 18 year olds voting. You barely have any experience in life at that point.