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Elections Warren gives details of her gun control plan

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by HockeyBjj, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. HockeyBjj Putting on the foil

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    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/01...sal-background-checks-an-assault-weapons-ban/

    Elizabeth Warren posted this comment on Facebook and linked the above article, so this would presumably be very close to what she'd like to implement as president if elected

    Our gun violence epidemic is a public health emergency—and we need to make big, structural changes if we want to end it. So today, I introduced the Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act in the Senate to confront this crisis head on.

    *Require state or federal liscense to purchase firearm
    *7 day waiting period on all guns
    *21 years old to purchase any guns or ammo
    *Ban similar to 2004 assault weapon ban would be re implemented
    *bulk gun purchases (doesn't say how many is considered bulk) would be restricted
    *Allow manufacturers to be sued in civil courts
    *100 million a year for gun violence research
    *100 million a year for gun violence intervention programs

    Can we get a proper discussion on these items perhaps, instead of just re-used talking points like most threads?

    All this push to 21 talk, smoking, guns, etc. Should just up to 21 for marriage and military enlistment

    Has anyone seen any studies about how often a new gun is legally bought and used to kill within a week? I feel like this is a myth

    Very dissapointed there's nothing about stricter sentences for people who actually use a gun in a crime, or a mandatory minimum for a felon in knowing possession of a gun. Those are two keys areas of gun violence that could actually bring the number of deaths down, not just make it a headache for a person with no criminal intent or history to buy a gun.
     
  2. The Diplomat Peace Among Worlds

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    *Allow manufacturers to be sued in civil courts

    I have an issue with this one. At this point, McDonald's and Coke could be sued for making people fat, pretty much taking all responsibility out of the hands of the individual.

    And there's nothing about a mental health system setup to where if you've been on meds, it pops up in the database. Mental health should factor in, IMO. If being a felon excludes one, then taking mind altering medication for any kind of mental problem should, as well IMO.
     
  3. brody_in_ga Orange Belt

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    None of those will help in any meaningful way at all. The areas where gun violence(silly politician phrase)is prevalent, will continue to be crime ridden jungles. The fellas doing the shootings don't legally purchase their guns to begin with.
     
  4. brody_in_ga Orange Belt

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    The solution to drastically reducing the gun crime numbers is rather simple, in theory. However, it will never be implemented because of certain factors.
     
  5. My Spot Not my liver spot. Not my bald spot.

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    Would her “assault” weapons ban include a grandfather clause?
     
  6. PlayswellwithLawnDarts Banned Banned

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    Will there be funding to make schools more secure. Yeah didn’t think so
     
  7. PlayswellwithLawnDarts Banned Banned

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    A gun the week it is bought to kill is also most likely a Suicide. Stay safe kids
     
  8. Rational Poster Actually the Best Poster

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    Where do they illegally purchase guns from though?

    (*hint: every crime gun was purchased legally at one point)
     
  9. HockeyBjj Putting on the foil

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    Seeing as it's similar to the 04 ban, I assume that it would. Doesn't sound like she's going full Beto with mandatory buy backs ie confiscation
     
  10. F1980 Green Belt

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    Sounds good. Not too much at one time like some other Democrat candidates are pushing. You gotta start somewhere, and this sounds like it's a pretty good one to start off with. Democrats have been stupid on gun control for decades now. I think most people would be fine with her plan.
     
  11. HockeyBjj Putting on the foil

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    https://everytownresearch.org/stolen-guns-pose-tremendous-risk-public-safety/

    About 400,000 guns are stolen each year, many of these are what end up bouncing around the black market from criminal to criminal

    Many of the guns smuggled across the border are from the US into Mexico and Central American countries, but other smuggled weapons come in from the likes of China and Russia

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/us/atf-agents-hunting-down-illegal-machine-gun-device-invs/index.html

    Here's an article about 4,000 full auto conversion kits (illegal in US, unless the hard to obtain class 3 liscense) smuggled in from China that work for Glock handguns. Many had been found with prior felons.
     
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  12. Happy Man Banned Banned

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    Good thing that nonsense will never fly
     
  13. brody_in_ga Orange Belt

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    What does that matter? The amount of guns on the black market in these areas is plenty enough to keep the gangs well stocked. If you think Warrens proposed laws will do anything to prevent gang bangers from getting a gun, then I don't think youve been paying attention.
     
  14. HockeyBjj Putting on the foil

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    Blue house and senate like Trump had for two years this will definitely pass if she or the other dem candidates win the presidency.

    Remains to be seen how the ensuing court battles shake out
     
  15. Rational Poster Actually the Best Poster

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    Stolen guns do make up a portion of the crime guns in circulation, but not the majority.

    The reality is that when a criminal wants a gun they're not going to wait around for one to be stolen. Stealing a gun is not some exact science, you don't know which house or car is going to have one.They want it right now and they're more commonly acquired through a "legal" proxy.
     
  16. Rational Poster Actually the Best Poster

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    The goal would be to curtail the flow of legal guns into the black market. The current state certainly isn't doing enough to slow it down.
     
  17. Kandyland Brown Belt

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    I'm surprised Pocahontas didn't add bow & arrows and tomahawk axes to the list.
     
  18. DragRacer Silver Belt

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    “21 to buy a gun” law should be tethered to “21 to vote” as well.

    Hell, let’s make it 25 for both for the next 10 years and observe the results.
     
  19. Cherry Brigand We're gonna put some heat on 'em.

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    This the clause that is the backdoor to removing the 2a. If the companies can be sued and found liable, there will no longer be any more manufacturers, no more gun stores, no more new guns and so forth.

    Very dangerous.
     
  20. fedoriswar37 Black Belt

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    Honestly don't like the idea of 18 year olds voting. You barely have any experience in life at that point.
     

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