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We’ve Hit a New Low in Campaign Hit Pieces
Recent efforts to sandbag Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard are crude repeats of behaviors that helped elect Trump in 2016

  • MATT TAIBBI
    MAY 21, 2019 1:52PM EDT

This vicious little article might have died a quiet death, except ABC’s George Stephanopoulos regurgitated it in an interview with Gabbard days later. The This Week host put up the Beast headline in a question about whether or not Gabbard was “softer” on Putin than other candidates.

Gabbard responded: “It’s unfortunate that you’re citing that article, George, because it’s a whole lot of fake news.”

This in turn spurred another round of denunciations, this time in the form of articles finding fault not with the McCarthyite questioning, but with Gabbard’s answer. As Politico wrote: “’Fake news’ is a favorite phrase of President Donald Trump…”

Soon CNN was writing a similar piece, saying Gabbard was using a term Trump used to “attack the credibility of negative coverage.” CNN even said Gabbard “did not specify what in the article was ‘fake,’” as if the deceptive and insidious nature of this kind of guilt-by-association report needs explaining.

“Stephanopoulos shamelessly implied that because I oppose going to war with Russia, I’m not a loyal American, but a Putin puppet,” Gabbard told Rolling Stone. “It just shows what absurd lengths warmongers in the media will go, to try to destroy the reputation of anyone who dares oppose their warmongering.”

Gabbard has had some “controversial” views, having been raised in a conservative religious home, the daughter of a right-wing radio personality in Hawaii who once described homosexuality as “not normal” and “morally wrong.” She later wrote of a political conversion on issues like LGBT rights, but still angered Democrats in the Obama years by invoking an infamous Republican criticism, i.e. that the president refused to use the term “radical Islam.”


Frankly, all the Democratic presidential candidates have controversial statements in their pasts, in some cases boatloads of them (see here, for example). The difference with Gabbard is her most outspoken positions cross party orthodoxy on foreign policy, particularly on war – she is staunchly anti-intervention, informed by experience seeing a failed occupation in Iraq up close — and are therefore seen as disqualifying.

She’s Exhibit A of a disturbing new media phenomenon that paints people with the wrong opinions as not merely “controversial,” but vehicles of foreign influence.

“This is how they control self-serving politicians whose only concern is their career,” Gabbard says. “Unfortunately for them, I am a soldier — not a career politician.”

A transparent hit piece came out as Gabbard was announcing her run. NBC reported “the Russian propaganda machine” is “now promoting the presidential aspirations of a controversial Hawaii Democrat.” The article among things was sourced to New Knowledge, a cyber-analysis firm claiming it had caught Russian “chatter” about Gabbard’s “usefulness.”

This was after the New York Times did a piece outing New Knowledge as having faked exactly this kind of activity in an Alabama Senate race between Democrat Doug Jones and Republican Roy Moore. In that incident, the paper got hold of a memo in which the firm admitted it had “orchestrated an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet.”

For NBC to use New Knowledge as a source after this was bad enough. The Daily Beast piece is something beyond, rhetorically. Even during the depths of War on Terror hysteria, we didn’t see Fox headlines stating: “JOHN KERRY: TOP CANDIDATE OF PEOPLE WHO THINK BIN LADEN IS MISUNDERSTOOD.”


https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...gabbard-bernie-sanders-trump-2020-838156/amp/

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I'm saying it now on May 21st 2019, these people named in this article are going to elect Trump to another 4 years.

If you don't give the people I support a fair shake, don't come to me a year from now asking for my support.

You want to treat Tulsi, and Bernie as enemies, don't be surprised when I return the favor a year from now.

Discuss..........
 
We’ve Hit a New Low in Campaign Hit Pieces
Recent efforts to sandbag Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard are crude repeats of behaviors that helped elect Trump in 2016

  • MATT TAIBBI
    MAY 21, 2019 1:52PM EDT

This vicious little article might have died a quiet death, except ABC’s George Stephanopoulos regurgitated it in an interview with Gabbard days later. The This Week host put up the Beast headline in a question about whether or not Gabbard was “softer” on Putin than other candidates.

Gabbard responded: “It’s unfortunate that you’re citing that article, George, because it’s a whole lot of fake news.”

This in turn spurred another round of denunciations, this time in the form of articles finding fault not with the McCarthyite questioning, but with Gabbard’s answer. As Politico wrote: “’Fake news’ is a favorite phrase of President Donald Trump…”

Soon CNN was writing a similar piece, saying Gabbard was using a term Trump used to “attack the credibility of negative coverage.” CNN even said Gabbard “did not specify what in the article was ‘fake,’” as if the deceptive and insidious nature of this kind of guilt-by-association report needs explaining.

“Stephanopoulos shamelessly implied that because I oppose going to war with Russia, I’m not a loyal American, but a Putin puppet,” Gabbard told Rolling Stone. “It just shows what absurd lengths warmongers in the media will go, to try to destroy the reputation of anyone who dares oppose their warmongering.”

Gabbard has had some “controversial” views, having been raised in a conservative religious home, the daughter of a right-wing radio personality in Hawaii who once described homosexuality as “not normal” and “morally wrong.” She later wrote of a political conversion on issues like LGBT rights, but still angered Democrats in the Obama years by invoking an infamous Republican criticism, i.e. that the president refused to use the term “radical Islam.”


Frankly, all the Democratic presidential candidates have controversial statements in their pasts, in some cases boatloads of them (see here, for example). The difference with Gabbard is her most outspoken positions cross party orthodoxy on foreign policy, particularly on war – she is staunchly anti-intervention, informed by experience seeing a failed occupation in Iraq up close — and are therefore seen as disqualifying.

She’s Exhibit A of a disturbing new media phenomenon that paints people with the wrong opinions as not merely “controversial,” but vehicles of foreign influence.

“This is how they control self-serving politicians whose only concern is their career,” Gabbard says. “Unfortunately for them, I am a soldier — not a career politician.”

A transparent hit piece came out as Gabbard was announcing her run. NBC reported “the Russian propaganda machine” is “now promoting the presidential aspirations of a controversial Hawaii Democrat.” The article among things was sourced to New Knowledge, a cyber-analysis firm claiming it had caught Russian “chatter” about Gabbard’s “usefulness.”

This was after the New York Times did a piece outing New Knowledge as having faked exactly this kind of activity in an Alabama Senate race between Democrat Doug Jones and Republican Roy Moore. In that incident, the paper got hold of a memo in which the firm admitted it had “orchestrated an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet.”

For NBC to use New Knowledge as a source after this was bad enough. The Daily Beast piece is something beyond, rhetorically. Even during the depths of War on Terror hysteria, we didn’t see Fox headlines stating: “JOHN KERRY: TOP CANDIDATE OF PEOPLE WHO THINK BIN LADEN IS MISUNDERSTOOD.”


https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...gabbard-bernie-sanders-trump-2020-838156/amp/

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I'm saying it now on May 21st 2019, these people named in this article are going to elect Trump to another 4 years.

If you don't give the people I support a fair shake, don't come to me a year from now asking for my support.

You want to treat Tulsi, and Bernie as enemies, don't be surprised when I return the favor a year from now.

Discuss..........
Whole heartedly agree with you Viva. I think you should express your supreme displeasure for these people and their tactics by voting for Trump in 2020. That will teach them a right good lesson.
 
Whole heartedly agree with you Viva. I think you should express your supreme displeasure for these people and their tactics by voting for Trump in 2020. That will teach them a right good lesson.

Naw, I will vote 3rd party, but you can look forward to my threads doing everything I can to undermine the D nomination as I did in 2016.
 
They've already chosen Biden to go against Trump in 2020.

The GOP chose Jeb Bush in 2016, but Trump's eccentric personality overpowered everything the GOP and the Dems threw at him.
 
Naw, I will vote 3rd party, but you can look forward to my threads doing everything I can to undermine the D nomination as I did in 2016.
The enemy of my enemy...
 
The Dirty Dems will stoop to new lows daily as we approach 2020. They will continue to cannibalize themselves in ways not seen before.

And the best part? Honest posters like @VivaRevolution will receive flak from them when they don’t agree with Bernie sanders being thrown under the bus for a second time.

The left has become so nervous and aggressive that they are even starting to call out “centrists” and those still undecided. The left is handing President Donald Trump another 4 years on a silver platter due to their incompetence.
 
The enemy of my enemy...

Is still Israel and Saudi's bitch.

I actually considered voting for Trump in 2016 when he said things like "we might find out the Saudis were behind 9-11", but there is no way I could consider it now.

The only positive thread in support of Trump you can hope for from me is on trade.

Nasty attack threads on the corporate puppet the pundit class wants to shove down our throats on the other hand........
 
None of that shit is backfiring or by accident yo. You know that.
 
We’ve Hit a New Low in Campaign Hit Pieces
Recent efforts to sandbag Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard are crude repeats of behaviors that helped elect Trump in 2016

  • MATT TAIBBI
    MAY 21, 2019 1:52PM EDT

This vicious little article might have died a quiet death, except ABC’s George Stephanopoulos regurgitated it in an interview with Gabbard days later. The This Week host put up the Beast headline in a question about whether or not Gabbard was “softer” on Putin than other candidates.

Gabbard responded: “It’s unfortunate that you’re citing that article, George, because it’s a whole lot of fake news.”

This in turn spurred another round of denunciations, this time in the form of articles finding fault not with the McCarthyite questioning, but with Gabbard’s answer. As Politico wrote: “’Fake news’ is a favorite phrase of President Donald Trump…”

Soon CNN was writing a similar piece, saying Gabbard was using a term Trump used to “attack the credibility of negative coverage.” CNN even said Gabbard “did not specify what in the article was ‘fake,’” as if the deceptive and insidious nature of this kind of guilt-by-association report needs explaining.

“Stephanopoulos shamelessly implied that because I oppose going to war with Russia, I’m not a loyal American, but a Putin puppet,” Gabbard told Rolling Stone. “It just shows what absurd lengths warmongers in the media will go, to try to destroy the reputation of anyone who dares oppose their warmongering.”

Gabbard has had some “controversial” views, having been raised in a conservative religious home, the daughter of a right-wing radio personality in Hawaii who once described homosexuality as “not normal” and “morally wrong.” She later wrote of a political conversion on issues like LGBT rights, but still angered Democrats in the Obama years by invoking an infamous Republican criticism, i.e. that the president refused to use the term “radical Islam.”


Frankly, all the Democratic presidential candidates have controversial statements in their pasts, in some cases boatloads of them (see here, for example). The difference with Gabbard is her most outspoken positions cross party orthodoxy on foreign policy, particularly on war – she is staunchly anti-intervention, informed by experience seeing a failed occupation in Iraq up close — and are therefore seen as disqualifying.

She’s Exhibit A of a disturbing new media phenomenon that paints people with the wrong opinions as not merely “controversial,” but vehicles of foreign influence.

“This is how they control self-serving politicians whose only concern is their career,” Gabbard says. “Unfortunately for them, I am a soldier — not a career politician.”

A transparent hit piece came out as Gabbard was announcing her run. NBC reported “the Russian propaganda machine” is “now promoting the presidential aspirations of a controversial Hawaii Democrat.” The article among things was sourced to New Knowledge, a cyber-analysis firm claiming it had caught Russian “chatter” about Gabbard’s “usefulness.”

This was after the New York Times did a piece outing New Knowledge as having faked exactly this kind of activity in an Alabama Senate race between Democrat Doug Jones and Republican Roy Moore. In that incident, the paper got hold of a memo in which the firm admitted it had “orchestrated an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet.”

For NBC to use New Knowledge as a source after this was bad enough. The Daily Beast piece is something beyond, rhetorically. Even during the depths of War on Terror hysteria, we didn’t see Fox headlines stating: “JOHN KERRY: TOP CANDIDATE OF PEOPLE WHO THINK BIN LADEN IS MISUNDERSTOOD.”


https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...gabbard-bernie-sanders-trump-2020-838156/amp/

____________________________________


I'm saying it now on May 21st 2019, these people named in this article are going to elect Trump to another 4 years.

If you don't give the people I support a fair shake, don't come to me a year from now asking for my support.

You want to treat Tulsi, and Bernie as enemies, don't be surprised when I return the favor a year from now.

Discuss..........


And the much made fun of New Green Deal and killing 55k jobs in NYC is #WINNING?

Go live in a socialist country for a month and come back. You will not be spouting this same dumb shit.
 
And the much made fun of New Green Deal and killing 55k jobs in NYC is #WINNING?

Go live in a socialist country for a month and come back. You will not be spouting this same dumb shit.

Bend over and present your cuck ass for Amazon to fuck your tax dollars for their jobs, cuck.
 
I expected it.

What I didn't expect from them, was turn it up a notch from 2016.

I thought they wanted to win.

Who's they? Unless you're a fan of eliminating rule of law, massive debt-financed giveaways to big corporations and rich heirs, more belligerent foreign policy, etc., the loser was you. America lost, really. And America will continue to lose as long as idiots can be convinced that smart thing to do when you're feeling petulant is vote for the guy who will make the country worse.
 
Who's they? Unless you're a fan of eliminating rule of law, massive debt-financed giveaways to big corporations and rich heirs, more belligerent foreign policy, etc., the loser was you. America lost, really. And America will continue to lose as long as idiots can be convinced that smart thing to do when you're feeling petulant is vote for the guy who will make the country worse.

Man Reagan wasn't nearly as bad as Hitler, but if my only choices are Reagan or Hitler, you can convince me to vote for Reagan, by telling me Hitler is worse. I will vote 3rd party like a sane person.


Of course we have already been through this.
 
Man Reagan wasn't nearly as bad as Hitler, but if my only choices are Reagan or Hitler, you can convince me to vote for Reagan, by telling me Hitler is worse.

Of course we have already been through this.

Yeah, I don't expect rationality from you. It's just funny to me that you see it as someone else losing when it's your goals that are getting further out of reach and your country that is being fucked up.
 
Yeah, I don't expect rationality from you. It's just funny to me that you see it as someone else losing when it's your goals that are getting further out of reach and your country that is being fucked up.

It seems to me that it is your goals getting farther away, as the people you think I should support, don't actually want what I want.
 
It seems to me that it is your goals getting farther away, as the people you want me to support, don't actually want what I want.

I don't want you to support anyone in particular. But you often talk about what you say you want, and you're not rationally moving toward those goals.
 
I don't want you to support anyone in particular. But you often talk about what you say you want, and you're not rationally moving toward those goals.

The problem is that you think pretty words can change the nature of a bought and paid for whore.
 
Gabbard deserved to be denounced for using "fake news" in her answer during that interview instead of laying out an intelligent explanation of why it was a shitty article. And (and this is just me going on personal experience) it does seem that Putin apologists disproportionately favor her, but that's not something that I consider a big deal.

For what it's worth, the hit pieces on Sanders haven't seemed nearly as pronounced to me as in 2015/2016.
 
Yep. The DNC thinking they know best as usual. I guess I'll just have to get used to Trump.
 
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