1. Walt Harris' daughter is missing around Auburn, Alabama. Please read this thread for more information.

War Room Lounge v51: A Total Non-Starter

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Fawlty, Jun 28, 2019.

?

Which presidential candidates are total non-starters for you? (Pick up to 3 out of the top 12)

  1. Biden

    18.6%
  2. Sanders

    7.0%
  3. Harris

    16.3%
  4. Warren

    9.3%
  5. Buttigieg

    4.7%
  6. Castro

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Beto

    44.2%
  8. Booker

    11.6%
  9. Gillibrand

    11.6%
  10. Klobuchar

    16.3%
  11. Yang

    18.6%
  12. Gabbard

    14.0%
  13. None of them are "non-starters"

    14.0%
  14. All of them are "non-starters"

    16.3%
  15. Fal

    2.3%
  16. Hi Fawlty!

    18.6%
  17. They should allow polls options to be deleted

    9.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Fawlty

    Fawlty Your parents are decent people

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    36,791
    Likes Received:
    72,789
    Location:
    War Room Lounge


    For maybe the first time in my posting history, I'm recommending Trevor Noah segments (debate recaps) because they're pretty entertaining if not comprehensive:






    Mod Note: This thread is for general conversation and any other conversations to avoid derails in regular threads. If you find yourself going off topic in a thread, please quote the person's post, come in here, click insert quote, and continue on in here. This is also still the War Room. Do not expect OT/Bare Knuckles rules in here.


    Odd Note:
    "

    We have memorized America,
    how it was born and who we have been and where.
    In ceremonies and silence we say the words,
    telling the stories, singing the old songs.
    We like the places they take us. Mostly we do.
    The great and all the anonymous dead are there.
    We know the sound of all the sounds we brought.
    The rich taste of it is on our tongues.
    But where are we going to be, and why, and who?
    The disenfranchised dead want to know.
    We mean to be the people we meant to be,
    to keep on going where we meant to go.

    "
    ― Miller Williams



    "Time to go down to the basement for some more hauntingly delicious...daily tracking polls!
    ― Count Chocula
     
    Crazy Diamond likes this.
  2. abiG

    abiG The Last Iconoclast Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2017
    Messages:
    6,183
    Likes Received:
    19,470
  3. abiG

    abiG The Last Iconoclast Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2017
    Messages:
    6,183
    Likes Received:
    19,470
    The Drudge Report political website posted a surprising instant poll showing that its visitors believed Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii was the overwhelming victor of the first Democratic presidential debate, polling at almost 35% with 12,314 votes.

    Her closest competitor was Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, who was polling at just under 13.5% and 4,791 votes. Julián Castro of Texas and Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey were polling the lowest with less than 5% each.

    [​IMG]

    Tulsi Gabbard also won the Washington Examiner poll. by a strikingly similar margin - 34.15% for the Hawaii congresswoman and 23.06% for Warren.

    [​IMG]
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...tulsi-gabbard-winning-first-democratic-debate
     
  4. Fawlty

    Fawlty Your parents are decent people

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    36,791
    Likes Received:
    72,789
    Location:
    War Room Lounge
    aggro like whoa bro

    aggro
     
    Crazy Diamond likes this.
  5. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2004
    Messages:
    70,079
    Likes Received:
    39,831
    Poll's broken. Only allows one vote.
     
    Crazy Diamond and Fawlty like this.
  6. Fawlty

    Fawlty Your parents are decent people

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    36,791
    Likes Received:
    72,789
    Location:
    War Room Lounge
    Thanks, should be good now
     
    Jack V Savage likes this.
  7. MiniCraque

    MiniCraque Black Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2008
    Messages:
    7,110
    Likes Received:
    5,596
    Location:
    Porto Alegre
    Why is Yang a non-starter to you?
     
  8. Lead

    Lead /Led/ Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2009
    Messages:
    36,058
    Likes Received:
    24,773
    Location:
    Around Pittsburgh
    How many presidential cycles are you guys going to post nonscientific internet polls and assume it has any value. Tell me about how Ron Paul’s 2012 presidential term went and Bernie’s 2016 term.
     
  9. Quipling

    Quipling Red Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2012
    Messages:
    9,894
    Likes Received:
    17,942
    Location:
    purgatory
    His one answer that I remember was bad.

    Also a-b testing is a terrible way to develop policy.
     
    Gandhi and Fawlty like this.
  10. abiG

    abiG The Last Iconoclast Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2017
    Messages:
    6,183
    Likes Received:
    19,470
    Didn't team Hildawg screw over Bernie?
     
  11. Fawlty

    Fawlty Your parents are decent people

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    36,791
    Likes Received:
    72,789
    Location:
    War Room Lounge
    He seems terribly unprepared, and while my opinion of him has gone up a bit (I think he's a brilliant person), his proposals are too disorganized and shallow, and some have deep problems like his News and Information Ombudsman, which may be unconstitutional and at least problematic for the free press. That's not to say he shouldn't be in the next administration, but he is not ready to be the head executive. A guy with no experience in government has to be amazing basically across the board.
     
  12. Sketch

    Sketch ?.?.?.?.?.?

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2007
    Messages:
    30,769
    Likes Received:
    29,975
    Location:
    .....
    You're not fooling anyone. That 1000 dollars a month would be massive for you.
     
    Tobacco likes this.
  13. MiniCraque

    MiniCraque Black Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2008
    Messages:
    7,110
    Likes Received:
    5,596
    Location:
    Porto Alegre
    I think non-starter implies problems observed before the debate. I think he did ok-ish, certainly was outshined by people like PB and Harris.

    Yeah this makes sense. The Ombudsman thing was weird and half-baked. Probably an attempt at a crowd pleaser considering how important the fake news topic is for Dems. I think it's not in his page anymore.

    I don't like the focus on automation. Not something that should be ignored on the policy side but it shouldn't be the main reason for UBI nor is it the quintessential threat to the working class imo.
     
    Gandhi, Jack V Savage and Fawlty like this.
  14. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2004
    Messages:
    70,079
    Likes Received:
    39,831
    Another thing is that the underlying rationale behind his signature policy is wrong, IMO. It's odd that while the entire developed world is in the midst of a very long-term slowdown in productivity growth (which is bad, BTW), people see a potential massive increase in productivity growth (which would be good, though if it were really massive, there could be adjustment issues) as a major concern.

    I think people are having a hard time wrapping their heads around the fact that these things can both be true:

    1. New technology is super cool and pushing the boundaries of what we thought possible.
    2. The incremental impact of new technology growth on our lives is much smaller than that of earlier, less-impressive technology (like electrification and the internal combustion engine).

    Probably no advance in medical science in the past 50 years has had as much impact on people's lives as having doctors clean their hands, the FDA, ensuring that water that comes out of pipes isn't contaminating, or other innovations along those lines.
     
    Gandhi, Tycho Brah, Tobacco and 2 others like this.
  15. Lead

    Lead /Led/ Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2009
    Messages:
    36,058
    Likes Received:
    24,773
    Location:
    Around Pittsburgh
    There’s debate about super delegates but she didn’t win more of the popular vote and delegates based on those votes then Bernie
     
  16. Fawlty

    Fawlty Your parents are decent people

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    36,791
    Likes Received:
    72,789
    Location:
    War Room Lounge
    I don't understand the issue well enough, mostly because I can't predict what the landscape is going to look like as we maximize automation, how many jobs we'll actually lose, and how people will be employed or what new industries pop up. So I can't even say where it should rank as a focus.
     
  17. Fawlty

    Fawlty Your parents are decent people

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    36,791
    Likes Received:
    72,789
    Location:
    War Room Lounge
    That's been true since fire and the wheel, but maybe it's daunting (or the inverse of daunting) for us as we realize that we're maxxing out computing capabilities and some other things with diminishing returns. What if there's no next breakthrough? But I don't understand how that plays into Yang's strong emphasis on making up for the changes due to automation.
     
  18. Fawlty

    Fawlty Your parents are decent people

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2015
    Messages:
    36,791
    Likes Received:
    72,789
    Location:
    War Room Lounge
    I'm using it kind of loosely. I'd define it as "somebody I'm intentionally not considering at all, or have now written off."
     
    Gandhi likes this.
  19. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2004
    Messages:
    70,079
    Likes Received:
    39,831
    Because he's arguing that automation is taking our jerbs or soon will be, while the bigger problem is that we don't have enough automation (as a stand-in for general technology-based productivity growth).

    Also, minor quibble, but I don't think it's been true since fire and the wheel. Really significant change in living standards started in the 1800s and then started petering out in the mid-to-late 1900s. For most of human history before that, there really wasn't much improvement.
     
    Fawlty likes this.
  20. waiguoren

    waiguoren Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    14,850
    Likes Received:
    10,251
    @Limbo Pete

    I was thinking of you just now as I inspected my long, thick cucumber.


















    [​IMG]
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.