War on men - Feminism's lies and brainwashing

panamaican said:
Okay, I don't understand the point of the thread unless it's to present a large amount of information that others are unaware of.

That's a fine thing to do but it also leaves the thread without a direction after that. So, I have no idea where the thread will end up, likely another gripe session by men about miniscule slights done to them by feminism while being oblivious to actual injustices to either sex.
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Did you not read the OP? It's not strictly about feminism and men be slighted. It's about how a debate or discussion is reframed or poisoned by insinuating that the ones debating the issue are sexist. Remind you of anyone on this forum? I'm sure it does.

TLDR It's more about tactics than particulars. And those tactics work VERY well.
 
Ayin said:
Which movement would that be in respect to this thread?

Because the feminist movement has a long history, has certainly not been implemented 'at the same time' considering the length of it's history across 'many nations'. The fact that it is NOW (or in the last generation or two) spread to many other nations does not in any way prove it originated as a 'well funded, well coordinated' movement.

I doubt that has any impact on the actual point you are trying to get towards though.
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Any desired movement starts small and spreads. It takes a lot of money and coordination to do that though.

Weather or not it was truly grass roots in its inception or if it was incubated, it now certainly has the backing of very powerful people and is being used as a tool.

It most definitely fits in with a much larger social engineering agenda, part of which is to steer women away from motherhood and into the pursuit of material gains.
 
Why "create divisions", IDL?

EDIT: Whoops. You edited. But my question remains!!
 
panamaican said:
Okay, I don't understand the point of the thread unless it's to present a large amount of information that others are unaware of.

That's a fine thing to do but it also leaves the thread without a direction after that. So, I have no idea where the thread will end up, likely another gripe session by men about miniscule slights done to them by feminism while being oblivious to actual injustices to either sex.
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Miniscule slights? You call the false claim and accusation of rape miniscule? It's a horrible crime that has ruined a lot of lives.

Interesting.
 
OldGoat said:
TLDR It's more about tactics than particulars. And those tactics work VERY well.
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Indeed they do, which is why those tactics are used by nearly every group currently active in the quest for positive public opinion (which is why it's so rampant in politics), from both major US political parties (yep, both) to elections in my own humble city.

Framing the opposition as not just incorrect (which would have to be proven, and that's sometimes hard and takes more than the 30 seconds news networks want to dedicate to exploring the story), but as wrong headed/sexist/un-American/Socialist/Ect is an easy way to defeat their arguments without addressing it.

If this thread is about the use of these tactics in our modern culture, then I support that discussion fully (though I don't think Sherdog can make that happen, as there are FAR too many on here who dismiss other arguments along simple party lines), but it's unlikely that was the intention of this thread.
 
Oldmansavage said:
White male guilt is a fleshy, pungent, low hanging fruit that is over-ripe for harvest. Do you blame the flea, tick or the leech for doing what comes natural? The well will run dry when even your most limp dicked progressive tires of his own bullshit.
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Well that's why Starbucks is printing off Oprah quotes on all their cups now. Gotta keep that train rolling.
 
emax said:
That is a fair point, when discussing these things you don't want to replace one sense of extreme entitlement with another one. After all, that is ultimately what happened in the first place with second and third wave feminism. So I am with you on that one.
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Well stated. I think the fundamental disconnect between feminists and non feminists on the point itself is that rational fems often still see feminism in terms of the first wave while non fems see it in terms of the latter two waves. Both sides have a point, but one relies on historical precedent while one is built on current perceptions.

The op really makes a good point as far as the endgame of these third wave feminists. While the initial goal was equality, the third wave almost wishes to invert the historical power structure to benefit women. The rational fems dont like to hear it, but the lack of self policing in the movement itself essentially makes them the silent minority (or majority if the rationals are to be believed).

It's an interesting disconnect to look at as far as reversing the trend goes.
 
afrdzak said:
Why "create divisions", IDL?

EDIT: Whoops. You edited. But my question remains!!
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It serves the greater goal of dismantling family units. Creating power struggles and mistrust between men and women is part of that strategy.
 
IDL said:
It most definitely fits in with a much larger social engineering agenda, part of which is to steer women away from motherhood and into the pursuit of material gains.
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Sure, why not.

Now, you have came in, shared your wisdom, which in no way can either be backed up or argued against... what happens next?
 
OldGoat said:
And btw, that's how all on the political left "debate" and frame issues concerning any pet group.
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Agree. That comic in the OP reads like a satire of any given liberal circle jerk thread in here.

But that's what people need to resort to when their ideas are logically and/or morally bankrupt, so I understand why they do it. Then throw in a few SAT words so all the stupid people think they're smart.
 
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IDL said:
It serves the greater goal of dismantling family units. Creating power struggles and mistrust between men and women is part of that strategy.
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What is the strategy to do so...creating divisions? And what is to gain?
 
panamaican said:
Okay, I don't understand the point of the thread unless it's to present a large amount of information that others are unaware of.

That's a fine thing to do but it also leaves the thread without a direction after that.
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Exactly. She should of ended her OP with "Thoughts?" or "Discuss".

As it stands now, I have no idea what's expected of me.
 
Ayin said:
Sure, why not.

Now, you have came in, shared your wisdom, which in no way can either be backed up or argued against... what happens next?
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Well, the changes in society can be observed, as well as the strong backing behind these movements, and there is historical precedence for some of these techniques.

MARX, ENGELS, AND THE ABOLITION OF THE FAMILY
http://archive.csustan.edu/History/Faculty/Weikart/Marx-Engels-and-the-Abolition-of-the-Family.pdf

As to what happens next, we watch the continued dismantling of the family unit until it has served its purpose. Then we transition to the next phase which is to have children raised by the state. It is also beneficial in terms of extra tax revenue (women in the work force vs. at home) and depopulation but I think that is actually a secondary objective.

One thing for sure, is that these agendas are not being backed at the top out of care for women..
 
Bay Area said:
Exactly. She should of ended her OP with "Thoughts?" or "Discuss".

As it stands now, I have no idea what's expected of me.
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It's not hard to assume on a discussion forum that your thoughts on the subject are implied.
 
I'd really like to see some hardcore real academic studies done on victimage, victimhood, what ever you'd like to call it. It is a real phenomena that seems to dominate they way a lot of people see them selves. The victim/oppressor dynamic. Feminist's struggle to monopolize victimhood for women only. Men by default are oppressors. Because this paints people with such a broad brush, it can't be accurate. Unfortunately for the truth, they have rooted themselves in the education system where they have set out to indoctrinate the young minds of society.

In Sweden, it is scientifically accepted that there are no biological differences between men and women, and people in society believe it. All differences are due to how you are raised.

In Canada, and I I'm guessing America too, many feminists believe this nonsense.

The Pay scale fallacy has been thoroughly debunked many times going back to Dr. Thomas Sowell in the 70's. He was careful in his studies to use "never married" for women instead of "single". Because clearly a single divorced women who was married for 20 years will not have the work experience of a single women who has been in the work force for a long time. Of course, when he did this the numbers came up equal.
 
Tropodan said:
I'd really like to see some hardcore real academic studies done on victimage, victimhood, what ever you'd like to call it. It is a real phenomena that seems to dominate they way a lot of people see them selves. The victim/oppressor dynamic. Feminist's struggle to monopolize victimhood for women only. Men by default are oppressors. Because this paints people with such a broad brush, it can't be accurate. Unfortunately for the truth, they have rooted themselves in the education system where they have set out to indoctrinate the young minds of society.

In Sweden, it is scientifically accepted that there are no biological differences between men and women, and people in society believe it. All differences are do to how you are raised.

In Canada, and I I'm guessing America too, many feminists believe this nonsense.

The Pay scale fallacy has been thoroughly debunked many times going back to Dr. Thomas Sowell in the 70's. He was careful in his studies to use "never married" for women instead of "single". Because clearly a single women who was married for 20 years will not have the work experience of a single women who has been in the work force for a long time. Of course, when he did this the numbers came up equal.
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They really that brainwashed in Sweden?
 
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