Voter Fraud is Extremely Rare

[58miles]

Republicans are always whining about voter fraud when the reality it's extremely rare. It's time for Republicans to quit whining about it and move on to whining about something else.

A 2017 analysis published in The Washington Post concluded that there is no evidence to support Trump’s claim that Massachusetts residents were bused into New Hampshire to vote. The courts have also found the same.The Fifth Circuit, in an opinion finding that Texas’s strict photo ID law is racially discriminatory, noted that there were “only two convictions for in-person voter impersonation fraud out of 20 million votes cast in the decade” before Texas passed its law.

Even Trumps own handpicked Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a longtime proponent of voter suppression efforts, argued before state lawmakers that his office needed special power to prosecute voter fraud, because he knew of 100 such cases in his state. After being granted these powers, he has brought six such cases, of which only four have been successful. The secretary has also testified about his review of 84 million votes cast in 22 states, which yielded 14 instances of fraud referred for prosecution, which amounts to a 0.00000017 percent fraud rate.

 

[andnowweknow]

Agreed

 

[trident]

When have republicans ever whined about something that did exist?

 

[jrams]

When have republicans ever whined about something that did exist?

Obama's birth certificate

 

[GearSolidMetal]

 

[MMAViewer]

It's rare yet the republicans spend a majority of their time manipulating these laws because they cannot win on merit.

 

[oldshadow]

Depends on what you want to find and don't want to find.

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/voter-fraud-database-tops-1000-proven-cases

I don't see any reason not to have ID to vote when you have to have it to exercise other rights.

 

[Post Mortem]

School shootings are extremely rare.

 

[58miles]

Depends on what you want to find and don't want to find.

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/voter-fraud-database-tops-1000-proven-cases

I don't see any reason not to have ID to vote when you have to have it to exercise other rights.

You are aware of the fact that that database goes back multiple years for example the voter fraud cases discovered in Texas goes back to 2008. California America's largest state goes all the way back to 2001. So in 50 states going back many years they managed to find a grand total of a thousand instances of voter fraud.

 

[oldshadow]

You are aware of the fact that that database goes back multiple years for example the voter fraud cases discovered in Texas goes back to 2008. California America's largest state goes all the way back to 2001. So in 50 states going back many years they managed to find a grand total of a thousand instances of voter fraud.

So.

Still don't see a reason not to have reasonable ID .

 

[ultramanhyata]

A woman just got 5 years in prison for illegal voting...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ng-while-on-probation/?utm_term=.2f3bcde34556

 

[Fawlty]

School shootings are extremely rare.

go on...

 

[Stoic1]

Hillary lost, get over it.

 

[58miles]

So.

Still don't see a reason not to have reasonable ID .

Reasonable ID isn't the real issue, the real issue is that Republicans have this warped idea that somehow Democrats fiendishly benefit from massive vote fraud. Didn't Trump claim that Hillary 3 million vote popular vote win was the product of massive voter fraud?

 

[kahiljabroni]

Right but our election was rigged?

 

[58miles]

Right but our election was rigged?

Our election was interfered with by Russia and that is a fact.

 

[emefer]

Define rare?

 

[emefer]

So.

Still don't see a reason not to have reasonable ID .

How does this ID thing work exactly if people mail in their vote on an absentee ballot?
Are we going to allocate additional funding so that the state will have the manpower and facilities needed to ensure that all people can easily obtain a reasonable ID?

FYI people have to sign their name when they vote which can be easily compared to their signature when they registered to vote along with the proper credentials. It is biometric data and is not easily duplicated.

 

[Trotsky]

Depends on what you want to find and don't want to find.

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/voter-fraud-database-tops-1000-proven-cases

I don't see any reason not to have ID to vote when you have to have it to exercise other rights.

Because:

(a) like has been discussed, there is absolutely no data supporting the existence of any meaningful amount of voter fraud, let alone a significant amount

(b) the retentions of all other rights are vulnerable if the right to vote is vulnerable

(c) we know from internal GOP transcripts that these laws were purposefully designed to keep racial minorities, particularly poor urban blacks, from voting. They knew this would lower effective black turnout, and they were right. It was a victory in degrading democracy.


If we want to spend potentially billions in providing free voting ID's to all persons with a SSN and valid mailing address, then we can start talking, since that would actually start cutting into the disparate impact on poor urban communities. But, of course, that's never even been discussed, since allowing people to vote and restoring the integrity of our democracy was never, at any point, the purpose of these laws.

The "I don't see the problem" line is pretty much the motto of persons who haven't thought/read about this phenomenon sufficiently.

 

[MicroBrew]

Since voter fraud is very very rare, the attempts by the Right to make a storm in a tea-cup about it and push voter-ID laws has always been just a sneaky way to disenfranchise Black voters. More recently it is also an attempt to disenfranchise Hispanic voters