Vladimir Putin: "America is a great power - today probably the only superpower. We accept that."

Rex Kwon Do said:
Lol, so you're a Putinist, then? Let me guess, you eat up his propaganda about Ukrainians being "fascists," eh?

Those bases are set up in allied countries, unless you didn't notice. They're free to do what they like. If they want the US to protect them by setting up a base, that's their right, and neither you nor Putin have good reason to bitch. When you're a small country and you're worried about a large country, that's what you do--you make alliances with a different large country to promise to help you out. Shocking. Poor oppressed Russia. Truly "telling them how to live."

Weird to see a leftist being so supportive of an autocratic, anti-liberal strongman like Putin.
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You deny that there are nazis in the Ukrainian parliament ? Interesting.

I'm neither a Putinist, Trumpist or Clintonist, and that's not the 1st time I've been called "leftist" and "liberal" on this forum. I noticed how you Americans love duality, and to put people in a camps just because a few opinions :

- you're either liberal or conservative
- you're either pro russian or pro american

Back to the topic, guys like you are funny when they tell you how bad Russian is for annexing Crimea (which was part of Russia), but won't tell you anything about NATO expansion, setting up military bases all around Russia, Iran and China, or Israel's settlements.

Smalls countries being worried about Russia? Worried about what exactly? Like if they have the choice to set up bases in their country or not lol. It's the US who tells them what they're gonna do.

Crimea annexion was a response for the overthrow of Ukraine's govt, after Yanukovich passed a commercial deal with Russia instead of EU in late 2013.
 
These are just hollow words that don't mean anything, just like everything else Putin has to say about the U.S., everything he says is for the sake of playing politics that's why he comes out with so many contradictory statements, it isn't because he's changing his mind a lot it's because he's trying to appeal to different people. When he's trying to appeal to westerners he'll say something nice about us in the hopes that we'll become less hostile to him, when he's trying to appeal to Russians he talks shit about the west and makes vague threats in the hope to scare us and fire up his support base.
 
Madmick said:
If you believe it doesn't matter what position a politician takes in terms of rhetoric...then you probably don't care if Obama uses the word "Radical Islam" or not.

There is what you are, and there is what you pretend to be, and anyone who has read a book like Mother Night gains a deeper understanding into how these two things, ultimately, are not as separate as they appear; that to believe you will always be able to disentangle the two is the hubris of the true idiots.

This is forced weakness. He got awful quiet after the crude prices floored. Putin is being political, but if you don't think it matters how someone plays their hand, then you nary understand politics.
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This is part of Putin's current poker hand, trying to portray Russia not as a world power, but as the defenseless little kid on the playground who were only minding his own business in the corner when he gets picked on by the bullies.

God knows we have plenty folks in the WR who actually bought into that narrative when clandestine Russian troops were flooding into Crimea, or when the Baltic states are literally begging for the U.S/NATO to come and help shoring up their defense after watching their neighbors being picked on by the peaceful Russians.

Interesting enough, China is also playing the same poker hand in the South China Sea: crying a river about being the victim, while blatantly taking over the neighbors' territories.
 
Arkain2K said:
This is part of Putin's current poker hand, trying to portray Russia not as a world power, but as the defenseless little kid on the playground who were only minding his own business in the corner when he gets picked on by the bullies.

God knows we have plenty folks in the WR who actually bought into that narrative when clandestine Russian troops were flooding into Crimea, or when the Baltic states are literally begging for the U.S/NATO to come and help shoring up their defense after watching their neighbors being picked on by the peaceful Russians.

Interesting enough, China is also playing the same poker hand in the South China Sea: crying a river about being the victim, while blatantly taking over the neighbors' territories.
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I don't think that is Putin's narrative. I think his narrative is that we are being aggressive. That we surround Russia, and it's allies with military bases, and hardware. Operate in clandestine fashion internally in strategic Russian ally nations. Basically that the US and it's allies push ever further into backing Russia into a corner.

I think we can debate the merits of this position, but that it is not total rhetoric. I have no illusions about Russia or Iran being the good guys here. There are no good guys.
 
IDL said:
Multi-polar in some ways, and dissolved in others. The US will gradually cede sovereignty to global order and the nation-state that is the US will be watered down to be more of a region adopting the globalist framework of international socialism, and like so many other countries it will lose its historical identity that makes it distinct.

That's how I see things trending.
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International socialism? Its neoliberalism that is spreading across the world whether nation-states want it or not.
 
Rex Kwon Do said:
Lol, so you're a Putinist, then? Let me guess, you eat up his propaganda about Ukrainians being "fascists," eh?

Those bases are set up in allied countries, unless you didn't notice. They're free to do what they like. If they want the US to protect them by setting up a base, that's their right, and neither you nor Putin have good reason to bitch. When you're a small country and you're worried about a large country, that's what you do--you make alliances with a different large country to promise to help you out. Shocking. Poor oppressed Russia. Truly "telling them how to live."

Weird to see a leftist being so supportive of an autocratic, anti-liberal strongman like Putin.
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How dare you question the historical right of mother Russia to have a buffer zone against her enemies!!!!!
 
Kafir-kun said:
International socialism? Its neoliberalism that is spreading across the world whether nation-states want it or not.
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International socialism as in internationally controlled centrally managed societies. Collectivist in nature. In reality these societies will be controlled by private interests (Oligarchy) and would represent a power monopoly so it would be a blending of a capitalist and communist system.

It can also be referred to as corporate socialism really.

I'll borrow a description so the following sentence is not my words:

"A system under which everything in society is ruled by the state, and the state is, in its stead, controlled by financiers who, hence, get to rule and manage society, to their liking. In other words, to get society to work for the financiers, using a socialist state as an intermediary. This is what we now know as the globalization economic model"

There is a bit more to it, for example multinationals like Google and other parts of the military industrial complex work to manage society as well so it won't be all just 'state'. It's a merging of state and corporation really with the end result of creating a fully managed hierarchical society with an international power structure.

There is a reason why Marxism is being pushed in the schools and pop culture now and it is to contribute in bringing about this type of society largely through social engineering.
 
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Arkain2K said:
This is part of Putin's current poker hand, trying to portray Russia not as a world power, but as the defenseless little kid on the playground who were only minding his own business in the corner when he gets picked on by the bullies.

God knows we have plenty folks in the WR who actually bought into that narrative when clandestine Russian troops were flooding into Crimea, or when the Baltic states are literally begging for the U.S/NATO to come and help shoring up their defense after watching their neighbors being picked on by the peaceful Russians.

Interesting enough, China is also playing the same poker hand in the South China Sea: crying a river about being the victim, while blatantly taking over the neighbors' territories.
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That happens in every war, it's not something unique to Russia or China. Being a victim gets you public support. It's so important to be seen as a victim that there are many examples in history of armies/governments actually targeting its own people so they can accuse the enemy of doing it.

USA rarely portrays itself as a victim, but they have a similar tactics of portraying its allies (pawns) as democracy loving freedom fighters that just want to end oppression. They do it so inconsistently, but the public doesn't seem to notice. Is there a reason to support Albanians in Serbia, but not Kurds in Turkey?
 
Superpower? You wouldn't know it by all the apologies Obama's been handing out over his 8 years
 
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Russia is like a defeated Gladiator they are defeated but not yet dead and now Putin fears they will put out for good.



They already lost during the early 90s now they will be finished off.
 
silicavaginitis said:
Of ISIS?
Because Obama surely isn't.
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LOL, the Russian backed SAA in Syria have retaken 1 mid sized city and 1 small airbase from ISIS during the entire Russian campaign, while the U.S. backed SDF has retake thousands of square km during the same time. If he's their enemy then he's doing a piss poor job of winning.
 
carlos cadona said:
LOL, the Russian backed SAA in Syria have retaken 1 mid sized city and 1 small airbase from ISIS during the entire Russian campaign, while the U.S. backed SDF has retake thousands of square km during the same time. If he's their enemy then he's doing a piss poor job of winning.
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Is ISIS actually murdering people in clubs in Russia?

Because they are here.
 
silicavaginitis said:
Is ISIS actually murdering people in clubs in Russia?

Because they are here.
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They blew up a plane and killed over 200 Russian civilians, more than all the ISIS attacks in the U.S. combined, Hell they've even got territory inside of Russia's borders in the Caucasus region.
 
silicavaginitis said:
Is ISIS actually murdering people in clubs in Russia?

Because they are here.
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Putin`s government actually named bridge in St. Petersburg Ahmat Kadirov, its a guy who declared jihad against Russia and Russians and encouraged Chechens to kill as many Russians as they could. Now bridge is named after him.

Islamization and Political correctness is x2 in Russia compared to the West.
 
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