Virginia supreme court stops McAuliffe's attempt to give Clinton 200,000 more votes.

[oldshadow]

(CNN)The Virginia Supreme Court on Friday ruled against Gov. Terry McAuliffe's executive order seeking to reinstate the right to vote to approximately 206,000 Virginians who had been convicted of a felony but had completed their sentences.

Writing for a 4-3 court, Chief Justice Donald W. Lemons held that the "assertion that a Virginia governor has the power to grant blanket, group pardons" is "irreconcilable" with the Constitution of Virginia

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/virginia-supreme-court-voting-rights-felons/

So he tried an end run around the constitution to make sure to deliver Virginia to Clinton by a mass restoration of felon voting rights. But only voting rights nothing about 2nd amendment rights.

The court said he had to do this on an individual basis.

Now I don't mind giving felons their voting rights back (after they are off parole) and even their 2nd amendment rights back. However it should be on a case by case basis.

However this was just an obvious attempt at trying to make sure he could deliver Virginia to Clinton.

 

[uncommon]

Some side notes that adds light to his stance on clinton and 2a

He served as Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, from 2001 to 2005, was co-chairman of PresidentBill Clinton's 1996 re-election campaign, and was chairman of Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.

McAuliffe supports universal background checks, an assault weapons ban, and limiting gun purchases to one a month. In January 2013, he purchased a shotgun for the purpose of skeet shooting.[80]

RCP average has Clinton +4.8 v Trump mid june - mid july in Virginia

 

[wandiswar]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/virginia-supreme-court-voting-rights-felons/

So he tried an end run around the constitution to make sure to deliver Virginia to Clinton by a mass restoration of felon voting rights. But only voting rights nothing about 2nd amendment rights.

The court said he had to do this on an individual basis.

Now I don't mind giving felons their voting rights back (after they are off parole) and even their 2nd amendment rights back. However it should be on a case by case basis.

However this was just an obvious attempt at trying to make sure he could deliver Virginia to Clinton.

People from Virginia are uneducated regressive hicks.

 

[oldshadow]

People from Virginia are uneducated regressive hicks.

This is the best you can up with.

You are a perfect example of a liberal regressive.

 

[wandiswar]

This is the best you can up with.

You are a perfect example of a liberal regressive.

And you are the perfect example of a hard ass thin skinned conservative who has mean looking skull as an AV. You probably have a NRA and "don't tread on me' sticker on your truck. fuck the redneck sub culture. fuck the south. fuck the second amendment. Fuck republicans. Fuck conservatives.

 

[VulcanNervPinch]

Well, in practice I'm not a fan of a blanket maneuver that claims to be about one thing (giving voting rights to felons), but is really about something else (giving more votes to Clinton).

However, legally speaking, Presidents and Governors have precedent for mass clemencies, do they not?

 

[Hankooks]

And you are the perfect example of a hard ass thin skinned conservative who has mean looking skull as an AV. You probably have a NRA and "don't tread on me' sticker on your truck. fuck the redneck sub culture. fuck the south. fuck the second amendment. Fuck republicans. Fuck conservatives.

You sound angry and poor. Maybe go play in the mud to cool off.

 

[JaneJanes]

And you are the perfect example of a hard ass thin skinned conservative who has mean looking skull as an AV. You probably have a NRA and "don't tread on me' sticker on your truck. fuck the redneck sub culture. fuck the south. fuck the second amendment. Fuck republicans. Fuck conservatives.

and you are the perfect example of a man child who lives in his moms basement judging by your AV

 

[wandiswar]

and you are the perfect example of a man child who lives in his moms basement judging by your AV

Good one slick, Wrestling is awesome and more manly then all your moms fuck buddies combined.

You sound angry and poor. Maybe go play in the mud to cool off.

South central USA = worthless hick.

 

[ncordless]

Well, in practice I'm not a fan of a blanket maneuver that claims to be about one thing (giving voting rights to felons), but is really about something else (giving more votes to Clinton).

However, legally speaking, Presidents and Governors have precedent for mass clemencies, do they not?

It's a question particular to the Virginia Constitution.

Article V. Executive
Section 12. Executive clemency
The Governor shall have power to remit fines and penalties under such rules and regulations as may be prescribed by law; to grant reprieves and pardons after conviction except when the prosecution has been carried on by the House of Delegates; to remove political disabilities consequent upon conviction for offenses committed prior or subsequent to the adoption of this Constitution; and to commute capital punishment.

He shall communicate to the General Assembly, at each regular session, particulars of every case of fine or penalty remitted, of reprieve or pardon granted, and of punishment commuted, with his reasons for remitting, granting, or commuting the same.

To my mind, it is a close case. Strict textualism seems to favor the Governor's position. The Governor has the power to remove the political disabilty, and unlike everything else listed that the governor can do, removal of political disabilitied does not appear among the actions which the Governor must communicate the particulars of to the legislature.

I have not read the opinion, or seen any relevant case law though.

 

[Hankooks]

Why don't you just say white people @wandiswar.

You aren't going to hurt my feelings lol

 

[oldshadow]

Well, in practice I'm not a fan of a blanket maneuver that claims to be about one thing (giving voting rights to felons), but is really about something else (giving more votes to Clinton).

However, legally speaking, Presidents and Governors have precedent for mass clemencies, do they not?

Per the Virginia constitution (and he knew Kane looked at their and was told no) you can not do this.

And yes it was obvious he wanted to do anything to deliver Virginia to Clinton. They are friends.

 

[wandiswar]

Why don't you just say white people @wandiswar.

You aren't going to hurt my feelings lol

I like white people, most successful people in human history, but i despise the south, i want them out of the union.

 

[oldshadow]

It's a question particular to the Virginia Constitution.
To my mind, it is a close case. Strict textualism seems to favor the Governor's position. The Governor has the power to remove the political disabilty, and unlike everything else listed that the governor can do, removal of political disabilitied does not appear among the actions which the Governor must communicate the particulars of to the legislature.

I have not read the opinion, or seen any relevant case law though.

He has the power and that is a fact but the way it is written it must be on a case by case and not in mass.

 

[ncordless]

OP, can you link the actual decision? Would like to see how it was decided. They either interpret the text differently than I read it or used extra-textualism to overcome a textual presumption.

 

[ncordless]

He has the power and that is a fact but the way it is written it must be on a case by case and not in mass.

Show me where in the text it says that a removal of a political disabilty must be done on a case by case basis.

 

[oldshadow]

OP, can you link the actual decision? Would like to see how it was decided. They either interpret the text differently than I read it or used extra-textualism to overcome a textual presumption.

I'll look for for it.

 

[oldshadow]

Show me where in the text it says that a removal of a political disabilty must be done on a case by case basis.

I'll look for the actual text of the decision.

 

[oldshadow]

And you are the perfect example of a hard ass thin skinned conservative who has mean looking skull as an AV. You probably have a NRA and "don't tread on me' sticker on your truck. fuck the redneck sub culture. fuck the south. fuck the second amendment. Fuck republicans. Fuck conservatives.

Yes I'm the kind of man that scares the hell out children like you that try and pretend they are grown men.

 

[Mike]

And you are the perfect example of a hard ass thin skinned conservative who has mean looking skull as an AV. You probably have a NRA and "don't tread on me' sticker on your truck. fuck the redneck sub culture. fuck the south. fuck the second amendment. Fuck republicans. Fuck conservatives.

Jesus dude chill out that level of response is pretty unnecessary. Shadow is a good poster and all he did was make a thread with some interesting information.


There's really no need to be so rude.