Video: Lebron James former teammate Delonte West is now homeless and severly mentally ill

Yeah it's ridiculous how far behind we are. Corporate bootlickers have basically convinced the working poor all these oppressive systems benefit us.... somehow.

The greatest fear a low income person has here is getting seriously hurt or ill. Without pure luck you can just instantly lose everything. I had about 20k in debt in just medical bills alone. A 1 week psych ward stay ( while I was so out of my goddamn mind I just did whatever I was told) ended up costing me about 10k. 5k for the room fees alone.

A cynical soul would say it's almost like systems that are supposed to be in place to help people, have been corrupted by the Profit At All Costs model of capitalism


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I spent 8 days in a medically induced coma and it didn't cost me a cent. In saying that the US has many more people but at the same time those many more people generally pay taxes and taxes are what pay for our free healthcare.
 
That sad and that sucks. I've seen what severe mental illness can do to people. It's unfortunate and can be very difficult to treat.
 
I spent 8 days in a medically induced coma and it didn't cost me a cent. In saying that the US has many more people but at the same time those many more people generally pay taxes and taxes are what pay for our free healthcare.
Bro, I live in California they will charge you for staying in the hospital while they monitor you, charge you for the food you eat while in the hospital, charge you for the gown you wear, if you pet the therapy dog even if you have no clue they charge you for that if he visits your room, they charge for the body scan, mri, the drip machine, everything if you use it they charge you a fee.
 
I think the main issue is how can we help him? A lot of times these people don't want to be trapped in facilities where you are helping them. They can get very violent if you try and stop them.
It's extremely difficult. There is a national conversation that NEEDS to happen regarding mental illness, and it's about 2 generations overdue. The stigma against getting treatment is still there, and by the time people have deteriorated this much it's hard to help them.

We need to reach more people BEFORE they're homeless and hearing voices.
 
Bro, I live in California they will charge you for staying in the hospital while they monitor you, charge you for the food you eat while in the hospital, charge you for the gown you wear, if you pet the therapy dog even if you have no clue they charge you for that if he visits your room, they charge for the body scan, mri, the drip machine, everything if you use it they charge you a fee.

Those are all goods and services. Should there not be a cost associated with them? Or are you saying that cost should inherently be on the societal level?
 
Man im glad you are doing okay brother, how were you able to keep it in check?
I got lucky and lived long enough for some of the crazy to burn out. My dad was a schizophrenic and I most likely inherited some of my traits from him. My mom is undiagnosed but is nutty as fuck too, so genetically I got it from both sides. Then I was brought up in an environment with abuse and neglect.

I tried to kill myself twice during my 20s before I started to seriously try to work on my issues with meds, therapy etc. I got EXTREMELY lucky that while I do have some schizophrenic tendencies, I'm not schizo and am very lucid most of the time. So I have some degree of control even during manic breaks, because I'm aware my behavior is erratic. Tbh it just feels like a lot of the crazy just burned out of me as I struggled and went through emotional extremes.

Every time you have a mental breakdown when you come back to yourself, there's this feeling that you've been diminished in some way. Everything is a little less bright and a little less loud. Also my best friend literally saved me more than once by offering me a place to stay and get my shit together. The last time he took me in when I was broke and homeless in the winter.
 
Bro, I live in California they will charge you for staying in the hospital while they monitor you, charge you for the food you eat while in the hospital, charge you for the gown you wear, if you pet the therapy dog even if you have no clue they charge you for that if he visits your room, they charge for the body scan, mri, the drip machine, everything if you use it they charge you a fee.
“It’s irresponsible for that, taken by a Prince George’s County police officer, to be in the public’s hands, and in my view, I own that,” Stawinski said. “The department owns that.” https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...ayer-delonte-west-after-fight-police/2202406/
 
Do you suffer from mental illness? Not making a joke either, serious question, cause I believe I do and would like suggestions on how I can get the right help I need.
Depression, anxiety, bpd, ocd, and some minor schizophrenic tendencies. Always around if you need to talk or vent or want advice. You can hit me up in this or any other thread, or pm me if you prefer a private conversation.
 
Those are all goods and services. Should there not be a cost associated with them? Or are you saying that cost should inherently be on the societal level?
Shouldn't be a for profit model. Everything is grotesquely over inflated so big pharma can cash in. They're using a subscription model instead of really trying to stabilize people. Every medical event shouldn't bankrupt you unless you have top tier insurance.
 
Wait...so the guy recording a human being literally getting his head stomped into concrete, and did nothing, is a police officer? I don't know the context of what took place, but it's hard to imagine a scenario where that isn't inexcusable.
 
Shouldn't be a for profit model. Everything is grotesquely over inflated so big pharma can cash in. They're using a subscription model instead of really trying to stabilize people. Every medical event shouldn't bankrupt you unless you have top tier insurance.

I'm not going to dispute these points.
 
I don't wish him any harm.. Or anybody.
 
Wait...so the guy recording a human being literally getting his head stomped into concrete, and did nothing, is a police officer? I don't know the context of what took place, but it's hard to imagine a scenario where that isn't inexcusable.
No, the video of him sitting on the curb talking to the cops.
 
I'm not going to dispute these points.
Problem is what's the solution to that other than government intervention, and then we know how badly that will be implemented. Obamacare was a joke with all kinds of crazy loopholes that lead to millions being denied coverage. Myself included. I spent years pretty sick and off my meds because I couldn't get health insurance for less than $250 a month.

It's been a very long time since we had a government capable of making real changes and standing up to corporate America. It's a trip to have health issues for years and talk to doctors and nurses as a low income patient and see the frustration from their side.

They are some real heroes constantly finding loopholes and ways around bureaucracy to keep people alive. There are substantial costs to medical care but a night in a hospital shouldn't cost thousands and pills and meds we mass produce shouldn't cost hundreds.

The whole system is a deeply entrenched scam with too many people making money to change it.
 
Sorry, but "faulty wiring" falls in the domain of natural selection. It doesnt explain anything. (Granted recorded history of people could be said to too short a sample size.)

My point is that there does not seem to be any evolutionary advantage to psychosis, at least not presently in Western culture. Although, as I mentioned, there may be a fight/flight component (e.g. a psychotic break may very well stem from an individuals mental/emotional/physical imbalance, and in a way help to reorient them and their support system so that they can regain health). In other cultures, psychotic individuals are sometimes revered and held in very high esteem... those cultures don't view the psychotic individual as "mentally ill" or defective, nor do they try to "fix" them with heavy duty medication regimens and psych hospitals (both of which likely exacerbate or prolong psychotic symptomatology).

There are plenty of cases where people experience symptoms of mental illness with no "trauma".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.schizlife.com/john-nash-and-schizophrenia/amp/

It just turns out, those are the same people who can work past it without life-long psychiatric and psychological help.

I didn't claim that trauma automatically leads to psychosis or that psychosis stems solely from trauma, just that there is a close association between the two according to our knowledge at this time. I believe the literature shows a closer association between psychosis and trauma than any of the other factors you mentioned (outside of clearly biologically based factors- e.g. tumors, drugs, sleep, etc).
Of note, your article mentions what may very well have been a traumatic situation, namely being a friggin child genius in an environment not supportive of the same. Basically, his mental needs were neglected... and in the case where you have a next level genius we should not discount the potential impact.

"His only mild complaint was that his childhood home in the Appalachians was not a very intellectual place, and he had to become an avid reader to learn what could not be taught in his own community. This hardly seems like the type of childhood trauma that some researchers associate with later schizophrenic episodes."

Now I'm not making any hard claims that he was traumatized (that is a very individual thing and different for virtually everybody) and I agree that trauma is not necessary for a person to experience psychosis... Here I'm mainly playing devils advocate, and if there is one thing I've learned it's that people can be traumatized by all sorts of things.

Here is an excerpt from an article supporting a trauma/psychosis association:
"They have examined hundreds of published academic papers using meta-analysis—a statistical technique for aggregating the results over many studies—and what they have concluded is that ‘social inequality and racial discrimination drives people crazy'... Other early traumas in life, such as child sexual abuse, physical abuse and bullying, increase the risk of psychosis, Professor Bentall explained. Their results show that, those who are traumatized in early life are three times at greater risk of becoming psychotic in adult life... And in another study it was found that those who had experienced childhood sexual abuse were ten times at greater risk of having hallucinations... This new work builds on research over the past decade by Professor Bentall and others such as Professors John Read and Mark Shevlin which has also begun to illuminate the links between early abuse, trauma and psychosis... Professor Bentall cautioned that while early trauma increased the risk of psychosis, not everyone who has had early trauma will develop psychosis, and importantly, not everyone who has psychotic experiences has experienced childhood abuse."
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/what-doesnt-kill-us/201111/trauma-and-psychosis

I'm not trying to invalidate your work or opinions, but your field is tied to some big existential implications, which no one seems ready to address. For example, if we look at a floor that's not level we can describe in great detail what level is, almost to a 'T' using simple tools, classical physics, and language. We can do that for practically anything we have reasonable access to.

Now, how do you describe a normal mental state devoid of mental illness? What tool do you use to describe that? Bank account and spending analysis? Brain chemistry is often cited, yet effective diagnosing is lacking unless the brain chemistry is completely skewed.

Taking steps to help mental illness is only justified by the statistics of newly reported functionality obtained through treatment by people aligned with the person now seeking treatment.

It defies true understanding, objectively, so it must be rationalized through spiritual means or other powers of consciousness itself, such as introspection. Ideas like karma and a beyond. Friendship and trust.

That said psychiatric drugs are effective, mostly for their ability to put you to sleep, but some even have side effects that give you stronger erections, lol - like Seroquel.

I pretty much agree with everything you wrote here, although I'd caution against the science supporting supposed psychiatric drug efficacy... As you mentioned, we can generally sedate the psychosis away, however, the use of these medications too often comes at a very hefty price.

Interestingly enough, there are other countries who do very well treating psychosis without medications, and these folks argue largely against any use of psychotropic medications as they believe it interferes with the natural processes necessary for symptom resolution (which goes back to a possible evolutionary benefit as noted above).
 
It's extremely difficult. There is a national conversation that NEEDS to happen regarding mental illness, and it's about 2 generations overdue. The stigma against getting treatment is still there, and by the time people have deteriorated this much it's hard to help them.

We need to reach more people BEFORE they're homeless and hearing voices.

I agree with you 100%^

But that's not the American way.

The American way is, "You can't afford healthcare? Screw you, here's some bootstraps. You're lower income? Screw you, work 3 jobs and still have to make the choice between food or medicine. Can't afford a lifesaving surgery? Screw you, go to your church and ask them. You're mentally unstable and your treatment is taking pills ad-nauseam? Screw you be a MAN and gut it out!"

And if you even THINK about everyone getting free healthcare?

"Screw you, Socialist!"

That's the American way.
 
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