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Venezuelan election turnout figures manipulated by one million votes | Reuters

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  1. EyeOfNewt Banned Banned

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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-vote-smartmatic-idUSKBN1AI1KZ

    Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic were business partners in 2010.

    From Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoia_Voting_Systems
    Who is the main guy on the board of directors of Smartmatic?

    https://www.smartmatic.com/us/about/board-of-directors/detail/peter-neffenger/

    He is on Biden's transition team for the Department of Homeland Security
    https://federalnewsnetwork.com/mana...y-transition-teams-for-president-elect-biden/

    Color me surprised.
     
  2. nicapica Brown Belt

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    Damn I think Venezuela is gonna get a refresher course in democracy next year.
     
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    I doubt it because we're looking at a Trump second term.
    Let's fuse and send him our energy
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. TUFNewb Red Belt

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    That's very interesting but Trump's own appointees at DHS already said the electronic voting systems were not tampered with.

    I am fairly confident that the information and election security experts who actually have access to the code and the machines are aware of any of the stuff the internet sleuths think they have discovered.
     
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  6. EyeOfNewt Banned Banned

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    You'll never be Carol
     
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    Sorry guys you've already beaten the "But Venesuala" into the ground. You don't get to use it twice.
     
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    Down. whatever keeps dick Cheney pissed off I like.
     
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    Give someone a 20 and a pair of scissors, then you can........
     
  10. EyeOfNewt Banned Banned

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    The left can't meme
     
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    Wasn't a meme, ma'am.......
     
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    The thing is that there should have been observers from day 1. Looking at software vulnerabilities now isn’t going to do much. Besides, the Dominion Voting System was already known to be vulnerable. The Dominion representative (also antifa guy) in charge of security admitted it, and a computer bro conducted mock-up elections at the University of Michigan with the same machines and rigged the results (see the New York Times piece).

    another thing. Who on earth thought that proprietary software for elections is a good idea lol. The only transparent way to do it is open source, otherwise you’re looking at a blackbox.
     
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    They keep flunking hardline socialism. Aka busy starving to almost death.
     
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    I voted in Venezuelan elections from 2010 to 2014 and even though I hate Maduro I have to admit it is very hard to steal a Venezuelan election.

    This is how the process works. Everyone in Venezuela has a national ID card, you basically cannot do anything without this card. You cannot get a job, get a car, or go to school. So if you are 8 years old you will have a Venezuelan ID card which is called a Cedula.

    You register before the election with this ID card and you sign in and get a voter ID number. On the day of the election, you go to your election center. You can basically go at any time of the day. While you wait in line you get members of all parties showing you the election card. This is when you can ask questions.

    When it is time to vote you go into a room, first you need to show your Venezuelan ID card. All party observers verify this ID card with your name and photo. Then you sign in and the signature has to match your signature when you registered. So there are two checks at this point one that you are the person in the photo and that your signature matches.

    Then you go to a desk that asks you if you know how to vote or any questions on how the machine works. If you do not have questions and you go vote. Basically, it is a giant screen where it is super easy to vote. Once you cast your vote you get a receipt.

    The receipt has the person you voted for printed out and the time of the vote. You take your receipt to the next desk and then observers from all political parties ask you if the name on the receipt is the person you voted for. If you say yes you fold the receipt and put it in a box with observers watching. If not you get to vote again and fix it. They take your name down and say you voted so you cannot vote again.

    Finally, you get your pinky dipped in purple ink which is very difficult to remove in fact it takes a couple of days but it is possible to remove it within hours if you buy certain chemicals. The point of the ink is that if you try to vote again with a fake ID the ink shows you already voted.

    Now, why is the election so hard but not impossible to rig. Well, there are two proofs of the vote, the electronic system, and the paper receipt. If the number of votes electronically for Chavez does not match the paper votes for that voting center. A revote has to be done. And because you as the voter saw on the receipt who you voted for it is not like someone can fake it

    So if there were 100 electronic votes for Chavez there have to be 100 paper receipts for Chavez. Really it is very difficult because you go through 2 ID checks before you vote, you get proof that your vote went to the person you said. You place your vote in a ballot box as proof after you verify your vote with observers watching.

    Now how can a vote be stolen in Venezuela?

    1. The Chavez government pays people to vote. Let's say you rather stay at home well Chavista supporters will bring US dollars to get you to vote. And they will go to neighborhoods more likely to vote for Chavez. I know several Chavistas who only voted because they got paid.

    2. This one was never proven but it seems like Chavez gave Venezuelan citizenships to millions of foreigners more likely to vote for him.

    3. This one was proven, in Venezuelan law as long as there are people in line you continue counting votes. It is not uncommon for Chavez to suddenly bring up an extra 1000 people to vote just as the last person in line is voting. This is actually bad because some observers have already left home thinking it was over. And now there are not enough observers to ensure everything was fair. In my fact in my voting center police were called because someone reported this and non-Chavez observers rushed back but were not allowed in. This actually made my center vote again the next day. I am sure this happened in a lot of other places.

    4. If you work for the govt. you are basically forced to vote. And it is not uncommon to take a photo of your receipt to show who you voted for as proof you voted for that person. Some govt. position ask you flat out did you vote for Chavez and ask for proof.
     
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    Regardless of all that stuff I trust that people working at DHS are better at this detective stuff that people on the internet, no offence, they just are. You really need to stretch this to foil hat levels for Trump appointees to be in on it.

    Open source is not necessarily more secure. It is a good model for some types of software but for something really really important you just can't open the door for hackers, not even once. Also for something really important you shouldn't place the burden of finding vulnerabilities on crowdsourced developers. Nowadays enterprises implement automated security tools to do this with much better results. Bipartisan government and civilian oversight should be enough to keep it all honest.
     
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    Thank you for the in depth post. It was a pleasure to read.

    Funny enough, #2 is the democratic strategy in US. Biden announced he would give citizenship to 500000 indians lol.

    as you know, #3 was the focal point. No observers allowed. Very questionable as some states don’t have voter ID laws. Some might require an ID but photo not mandatory and signatures don’t even have to match. Kinda weird given the reputation of the USA as an ‘advanced’ country.

    And afaik, there’s no receipt or any way for a US voter to know if his/her vote went to the correct candidate.

    what did you think of all this? Have you voted elsewhere by the way?
     
  17. EyeOfNewt Banned Banned

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    Open source doesn’t open the door to hackers imo, but I find it does for closed source. Windows operating systems are disasters. I could easily connect remotely to most people’s desktop back when Microsoft released XP. And even to this day there are major security vulnerabilities discovered on Windows products that have existed for years.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueKeep

    on the other hand, Linux distributions were relatively very safe.
     
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    This is it
     
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    Esto es todo, Biden ha cometido traición. Les dije a todos esto y nadie me creyó, pero Trump va a ganarlo todo y beberé tus lágrimas de librarda y me reiré cuando forme su propia fuerza militar privada. MAGA
     
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    We really need to put a daily limit on COPE threads from Newt... Otherwise it will just be this for the next two months until Biden is sworn in
     
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