International Venezuela, The Socialist Dystopia, v2: The region's worst humanitarian crisis in decades

[Arkain2K]

What are you basing this prediction on?

Venezuela's elections during the Chavez era were overseen and approved by international voting groups.

It's ridiculous how ignorantly Americans feel that they can arbitrarily undermine the legitimacy of foreign governments because those governments' interests are supposedly diametrical to theirs.

When this v2 thread gets to 50 pages, people are still going to call out this post due to the unfortunate fact that it got a spot on Page 1.

The "Election" is being moved up from December to April by a Maduro-controlled Assembly, yet oppositions parties are being prevented from registering their candidates until August by a Maduro-controlled Supreme Court. Which means none of them can actually participate in this farce.

That's the "Election" you're defending.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Opposition parties are not banned. Individual members of them may be banned per conduct detrimental to the country, and most of them for good reason.

From Arkain's post

And what are these "good reasons?"

who decides who can and cannot run?

do you not see a problem with this? banning members of certain political parties or entire political parties?

http://time.com/5058003/venezuela-nicolas-maduro-opposition-banned/

This is not a "fair" election.

 

[Trotsky]

When this v2 thread gets to 50 pages, people are still going to call out this post due to the unfortunate fact that it got a spot on Page 1.

It's a pet peeve.

Even if the claim was being made against a regime like Erdogan's in Turkey, which I believe has exhibited much stronger evidence of electoral fraud, an American should not feel entitled to arbitrarily speak on the subject without providing evidence for their claim. American propaganda empowered Americans to do it during the Chavez era, and it's serving the same purpose now.

However, yes, given the economic crisis and political violence in Venezuela, I would personally expect the administration to have a thumb on the scale.

 

[Gregolian]

Opposition parties are not banned. Individual members of them may be banned per conduct detrimental to the country, and most of them for good reason.

From Arkain's post

It still feels though if you essentially ban/jail/oust the most popular leaders you have essentially chopped the balls of your only opponents while you watch the rest of the opposition fall to in fighting.

It's akin to what you saw in that show Sons of Anarchy when Opie and Jax were going after Pearlman's character the whole time cause the club to split into "sides"

Really simplistic comparison I know but it's all I could come up with right now.

 

[Trotsky]

And what are these "good reasons?"

who decides who can and cannot run?

do you not see a problem with this? banning members of certain political parties or entire political parties?

It depends on who you are talking about.

Henrique Capriles should never be allowed to hold a public office again.

Leopoldo Lopez, on the other hand, was denied due process, even though I think he was clearly guilty of criminal incitement by US criminal standards, which I presume are much more lenient than Venezuela's.

It still feels though if you essentially ban/jail/oust the most popular leaders you have essentially chopped the balls of your only opponents while you watch the rest of the opposition fall to in fighting.

It's akin to what you saw in that show Sons of Anarchy when Opie and Jax were going after Pearlman's character the whole time cause the club to split into "sides"

Really simplistic comparison I know but it's all I could come up with right now.

Haha, I've never watched that show.

And I agree in principle.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

It still feels though if you essentially ban/jail/oust the most popular leaders you have essentially chopped the balls of your only opponents while you watch the rest of the opposition fall to in fighting.

It's akin to what you saw in that show Sons of Anarchy when Opie and Jax were going after Pearlman's character the whole time cause the club to split into "sides"

Really simplistic comparison I know but it's all I could come up with right now.

Now talk about a show that completely went full retard

 

[Gregolian]

Haha, I've never watched that show.

And I agree in principle.

Stop after season 2 if you do.

 

[Gregolian]

Now talk about a show that completely went full retard

Season 1 and 2 were good, as soon as they run to Ireland the opening credits get awesome and then the show goes over the shark

 

[Arkain2K]

It's a pet peeve.

Any personal pet peeves are irrelevant when the registration of opposition candidates are forced to delay until AFTER the "Election".

This is a farce, no matter where you stand.

 

[AlexDB9]

What are you basing this prediction on?

Venezuela's elections during the Chavez era were overseen and approved by international voting groups.

It's ridiculous how ignorantly Americans feel that they can arbitrarily undermine the legitimacy of foreign governments because those governments' interests are supposedly diametrical to theirs.

I don’t think communism has clouded your mind to the point where you believe what you just wrote right?

 

[Trotsky]

I don’t think communism has clouded your mind to the point where you believe what you wrote just right?

I'm not really a communist, friend. Well, maybe, depending on your definition.

And you can read my subsequent posts for my criticism of those posts.

 

[AlexDB9]

I'm not a communist, friend.

And you can read my subsequent posts for my criticism of those posts.

Consider me surprised by this revelation

 

[Rod1]

What are you basing this prediction on?

Venezuela's elections during the Chavez era were overseen and approved by international voting groups.

It's ridiculous how ignorantly Americans feel that they can arbitrarily undermine the legitimacy of foreign governments because those governments' interests are supposedly diametrical to theirs.

Based on what they did the with the national assembly.

 

[Arkain2K]

Based on what they did the with the national assembly.

That would be an excellent indicator. But also it's already happening:

Venezuelan Supreme Court Bans Opposition Coalition From Upcoming Presidential Election
By Vanessa Romo and Philip Reeves | January 26, 2018

Venezuela's President Nicolás Maduro shows his ballot after casting a vote in 2017 for a constitutional assembly in Caracas, Venezuela.​

Venezuela's pro-government Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that the main opposition coalition won't be allowed to register for the presidential election, a decision that is fueling accusations of election rigging even before people head to the polls.

The ruling follows the government's decision, under President Nicolás Maduro and the United Socialist Party, to hold early elections, before April 30.

The nation's most popular anti-Maduro leaders, such as Leopoldo López, leader of the Popular Will party, and Henrique Capriles, head of the Justice First party, who were both previously excluded from the election are now scrambling to figure out their response, according to Reuters.

The wire service says the coalition had planned to hold primaries to settle on a joint candidate.

As NPR reported, many leaders of Venezuela's fractured and weak opposition have been imprisoned by the government, barred from politics or remain in self-imposed exile. They claim the electoral system has been rigged to favor Maduro and guarantee him a second term.

Moving the election ahead by several months has drawn international condemnation. The U.S. has declared it will not recognize the elections, saying they will only undermine Venezuela's constitutional order and deepen tensions within government.

Critics blame Maduro for the country's current economic collapse, which has sparked a widespread humanitarian crisis, including food shortages. For several months in 2017 he faced almost daily protests from an opposition party that says he is trying to maximize power through brute force. Meanwhile, Maduro says his opponents are trying to illegally overthrow his government.

Maduro has been in power since the 2013 death of Hugo Chávez, the founder of Venezuela's ruling United Socialist Party.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...ition-leaders-from-upcoming-presidential-elec

 

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[ShinkanPo]

What a clown show this Maduro guy is.


One of the worst dictators of our times..

 

[loyalyolayal]

Just fucking sad.

 

[Rod1]

Where is the UNSC in all of this.