Usman ragdolled Twood but Cant ragdoll Colby?

paynebringer said:
Just f*king stop with that sh!t I don't give a f*k how active Colby is I think WB is way more active and look how shut down he fought Woodley 2X and his style is polar opposite to Woodley. Colby is gonna have the same problem he would've had if had fought with Woodley that he's going to have with Usman a guy who does what you do with more physical size & strength and just overall meanness.

RDA was able to turn & reverse Colby very easily at times and RDA is a small WW I don't find Colby to have a high fight IQ to compensate for his lack of size, strength, and meanness..
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Lol you failed the moment you said you don't give a fuck then compared wonderboy to Colby. Lol my god. You're in for a surprise if you expect Colby to have problems with Woodley that Wonderboy had.

Woodley literally loses to every fighter with decent wrestling that isn't shot and pushes the pace. He doesn't lose to strikers with no wrestling.
 
paynebringer said:
Woodley denied any such thing happened just more Colby spouting like claiming to sleep with pornstars who then turn around and put him blast for his lies, much like his mentor the Truth has no place with them...
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I dont recall that, and honestly I have a hard time imagining Colby NOT out working Woodley in wrestling practice.
 
paynebringer said:
A lot more active doing doing nothing but point fighting....
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Come on now, that's still being active and Usman is not above point fighting. I'm a huge Kamaru fan, but even I can admit that he cares more about winning than finishing, that was clear in the Emil Weber Meek and Yakovlev fights, and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
Pancake Sprawl said:
this.

Woodley just stood there like an asshole doing nothing. Colby isn't going to just accept clinching and being taken down the same way Woodley did.
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lmaoooo i like how everybody keeps trying to defend Woodley like "oh he was bored" "he didn't come to fight" that's because Usman made the fight like that. He was physically stronger, stuck to his gameplan and kept Woodley against the cage. Woodley is always getting caught on the cage and when you're a strong wrestler like Usman, he was able to keep Woodley there and beat him up while mixing in occasional takedowns. Not to mention he doesn't get fucking tired.

Woodley wasn't "bored" he just wasn't getting a shit ton of head trauma, he was just getting controlled and taken down multiple times and didn't know what to do. Same thing will happen to Colby he will just be a bit more feisty. Though I think Usman comes out with a lot of emotion and tries to KO him in the first round maybe two before reverting to a safer gameplan.
 
chinarice said:
Lol you failed the moment you said you don't give a fuck then compared wonderboy to Colby. Lol my god. You're in for a surprise if you expect Colby to have problems with Woodley that Wonderboy had.

Woodley literally loses to every fighter with decent wrestling that isn't shot and pushes the pace. He doesn't lose to strikers with no wrestling.
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Well 1st off Colby is fighting Usman not Woodley and if Colby was to fight Woodley just like WB he would have venture cageside to do it because that's where TWood would be then he's playing TWoods game. And stop with that sh!t about Woodley losing to any decent wrestler like the man don't have wrestling chops..?
 
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randomg1t said:
i think the bigger issue for colby is that RDA took him down multiple times.

if RDA could take him down, usman should throw him around. it probably won't be easy, and styles make fights, but i wouldn't be surprised if usman just straight up outwrestled him for 25 minutes.
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Pretty sure Colby has a lot more respect for Usman's wrestling during this camp then he did For RDA during that camp.

Usman also had better material to prepare for RDA than Colby did, because he gave RDA's TD game more respect because of the Colby fight.

Also Usman isn't as quick as RDA, RDA had quick TD's, which leads me to question why people think Usman can utilize the same openings that RDA found??

Colby knows how to wrestle, technically better than Usman, and will be able to shut down that part of the fight and keep it standing.

I think the question is if Colby will be able to keep the fight in the center or will Usman be able to wear him out on the fence??

Which ever fighter controls the pace will take over the wrestling aspect later in the fight.
 
Thesnake101 said:
Come on now, that's still being active and Usman is not above point fighting. I'm a huge Kamaru fan, but even I can admit that he cares more about winning than finishing, that was clear in the Emil Weber Meek and Yakovlev fights, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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The difference is that Colby's point fighting his obvious pitter patting around, quick td, guy gets back up, throw flurries quick duck under td rinse & repeat a Colby Covington fight. Usman will take you down keep you down and maul you through that whole session all the while sucking life from you until stood back up. Emil is a bigger boy than Colby and Usman threw him around like a lawn toy....
 
2 completely different styles that said i expect Usman to beat the brakes out of Colby
 
paynebringer said:
The difference is that Colby's point fighting his obvious pitter patting around, quick td, guy gets back up, throw flurries quick duck under td rinse & repeat a Colby Covington fight. Usman will take you down keep you down and maul you through that whole session all the while sucking life from you until stood back up. Emil is a bigger boy than Colby and Usman threw him around like a lawn toy....
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Yeah, but Emil is also quite a worse fighter than Colby. I mean, the guy got dominated by Bartosz right after his fight with Usman.

I'm just saying that Colby deserves credit, he's a legit elite fighter. We're all entitled to our opinions though, so I'll leave you be. It's an intriguing fight nonetheless.
 
fortheo said:
I dont recall that, and honestly I have a hard time imagining Colby NOT out working Woodley in wrestling practice.
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All I remember from that exchange was Tyron challenging Colby to fight him on the feet, without using his wrestling, which says a lot.

I think Colby would have pulled it off against Woodley too, just a bad matchup.
 
Thesnake101 said:
Yeah, but Emil is also quite a worse fighter than Colby. I mean, the guy got dominated by Bartosz right after his fight with Usman.

I'm just saying that Colby deserves credit, he's a legit elite fighter. We're all entitled to our opinions though, so I'll leave you be. It's an intriguing fight nonetheless.
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The only fight I've given big credit to Colby for was his Maia win I expected that if Maia was able to grip Colby at any point he was getting choked or mangled. But big credit to to him for getting on his bike and riding. RDA I was more disappointed in his performance than Colby's win, but Colby won no doubt on RDA's under performance...
 
paynebringer said:
The only fight I've given big credit to Colby for was his Maia win I expected that if Maia was able to grip Colby at any point he was getting choked or mangled. But big credit to to him for getting on his bike and riding. RDA I was more disappointed in his performance than Colby's win, but Colby won no doubt on RDA's under performance...
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I didn't think he'd beat Maia either, expected him to dive into a submission attempt but he stuck to his gameplan throughout. I think RDA was the victim of a bad style matchup, he did try to adjust by trying to work his own wrestling, so I think that he was just overmatched in a way rather than him choking.

Maybe ill-prepared would be a better way to put it. He's been vulnerable to grinding wrestlers in the past and Colby was his first at WW.
 
Thesnake101 said:
I didn't think he'd beat Maia either, expected him to dive into a submission attempt but he stuck to his gameplan throughout. I think RDA was the victim of a bad style matchup, he did try to adjust by trying to work his own wrestling, so I think that he was just overmatched in a way rather than him choking.

Maybe ill-prepared would be a better way to put it. He's been vulnerable to grinding wrestlers in the past and Colby was his first at WW.
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Yep! That's what I thought even thought Maia's improved striking would open opportunities for easier td's and clinch entries. The RDA fight I just remember getting real frustrated at RDA at not utilizing more chop kicks and his better striking even in certain control positions I remember RDA not punishing Colby could be he was just tired...?
 
kevinramsdell said:
lmaoooo i like how everybody keeps trying to defend Woodley like "oh he was bored" "he didn't come to fight" that's because Usman made the fight like that. He was physically stronger, stuck to his gameplan and kept Woodley against the cage. Woodley is always getting caught on the cage and when you're a strong wrestler like Usman, he was able to keep Woodley there and beat him up while mixing in occasional takedowns. Not to mention he doesn't get fucking tired.

Woodley wasn't "bored" he just wasn't getting a shit ton of head trauma, he was just getting controlled and taken down multiple times and didn't know what to do. Same thing will happen to Colby he will just be a bit more feisty. Though I think Usman comes out with a lot of emotion and tries to KO him in the first round maybe two before reverting to a safer gameplan.
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i didn't know saying Tyron Woodley was "standing there like an asshole" was defending him. i in fact, insulted him because he's mentally weak and physically vulnerable to Usman's style. Woodley didn't even attempt to cause any kinds of scrambles or anything to get away from Usman. nobody is strong enough to stop another human being from causing a scramble or struggling against them, the only reason that doesn't happen is because the person being grappled has allowed it to happen for whatever reason.

you can cheer Usman on or whatever, i'm just saying the facts. Woodley did nothing to escape and Colby will. whether he can beat Usman is a different story but he for sure will make it a much better fight than Woodley did.
 
paynebringer said:
Yep! That's what I thought even thought Maia's improved striking would open opportunities for easier td's and clinch entries. The RDA fight I just remember getting real frustrated at RDA at not utilizing more chop kicks and his better striking even in certain control positions I remember RDA not punishing Colby could be he was just tired...?
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I think the pressure really flustered him. Back when I looked at his tape, he usually wasn't able to string much together when on the backfoot. Must be because he's second guessing what to do to not get caught by his opponent's offense.
 
paynebringer said:
Give me an example to stop laughing...
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Usman wrestle fucked him to the point where he gave mentally up. So why shouldn't colby be able to do the same. He would most likely look like Lawler against Colby
 
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Seso said:
Usman wrestle fucked him to the point where he gave mentally up. So why shouldn't colby be able to do the same. He would look most likely look like Lawler against Colby
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Colby don't wrestle like Usman under Usman you pay for being under him, with Colby you just get back up...
 
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