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Using the "Kiai" on the takedown.

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by bellator, Jun 15, 2008.

  1. bellator Yellow Belt

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    Does any one else do this? Coming from a very strong Karate background, I often find it usefull to Kiai while I try to pull a hard thow. I realized Matt Serra does the same in his fights.
     
  2. Fenrir Blue Belt

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    As a judo and sambo player I often use the kiai when doing throws, I don't think anyone really minds.
     
  3. Tony Manifold Brown Belt

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    In judo a Kiai is to convince the judge that your waza-ari is really an ippon. :D But honestly, I have been known to let out a yell to help generate that extra bit of power.
     
  4. Grey_Steel White Belt

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    Being a long time karate practitioner myself, I use kiai all the time although not always audible. Kiai can be loosely translated as spirit meeting or gathering of spirit. It is where mind and body meet and this is the time when I summon that "extra" that I dig down deep to get. If I am totally burnt out and can't push out another pushup or if I can't hit the bag another time. If I can't find the energy to fight my way off the ground or whatever, I may just belt out a kiai. It may be just a guttural roar but the point of it is gathering my spirit to "push through." Many believe that kiai is about "sound.;" I believe in the silent kiai. It is about spirit and mind. Even without the sound I can still force my mind spirit and body to meet and push through for that little extra. IMO that is the true meaning of kiai. Most of my kiai moments are silent ones.

    Kiai, can be a useful tool in any type of hard training or endeavor.

    It goes hand in hand with "shin gi tai" (spirit, mind, body/technique).
     
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  6. Balto Silver Belt

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    Everyone who is any good does some form of kiai when they exert a quick burst of power. It may or may not be audible, but it is still there.

    When you do any kind of strike, you exhale at the same time. This is essentially a kiai. In Western stuff like boxing, it is usually done with a softer "sssssssh" sound. In Eastern stuff like karate, it's more of the typical grunt or yell that you associate with a kiai.

    The difference between the two is negligible. The end effect is the same -- air is exhaled to tense the body briefly.

    For throwing it works the same way. Do you exhale when you lift a heavy weight? If you don't, you should. A throw is no different.
     
  7. Grey_Steel White Belt

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    :icon_chee

    I've seen that before as well as the follow up video in which he gets his ass kicked by an MMA fighter.

    But the title is wrong. it says "Kiai." What they meant to say was "ki." There is a big difference. Ki is supposedly (if you believe that kind if thing and as the video is trying to show) some invisible power or energy. "Kiai" is only mental strength and the will to dig deep for that little extra. very much like the previous poster said about grunting when lifting a heavy weight.

    The clip is laughable but nothing to do with "kiai."
     
  8. bellator Yellow Belt

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    LOL that's got be one if the dumbest thing Ihave ever seen. Still it's got nothing to do with this thread
     
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    I wish I could have fought that guy... easy money. Cant believe that fool got so deep into that shit he thought it would actually work.
     
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  11. silverline122 Brown Belt

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    I see body builders at the gym using kiai all the time... It freaks me out
     
  12. BlastBeats Cogito Ergo Dubito

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    I can't believe his students would waste their time stroking his ego by pretending to be hit a bunch of times.
     
  13. Equinox White Belt

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    Guilty as charged. I've done a few kiai's on my throws...usually when I got no energy left in the tank and want that extra oomph.
     
  14. Fenrir Blue Belt

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    lol yup
     
  15. I Shoot Doubles Blue Belt

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    I am more of a hiii yaaaah kind of guy.

    Not really.
     
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    yelling produces adrenaline. adrenaline produces power. power produces speed.
     

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