USADA has barely broken the tip of PED users

All that matters is they got the ones that matter. Like Jon Jones , Macheata ,and Anderson Silva. Their names shall forever be tarnished.
 
mcdowels said:
TS has shit genetics, therefore everyone must PED

thanks TS
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CerebralKnievel said:
This is what comes to mind. While I don't discount the clear reality that everyone uses PEDs, I also find it amusing when people come on these forums with the belief that looking in shape is impossible without them.
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indeed. the masses here are fooling each other into thinking these feats are impossible without them and that soothes their egos so they go with it.
 
120wrestling said:
As crazy as this sounds, it is actually true for the most part. Most HS'ers reach their final adult size at 16-17, make some lee way for about 20-25lbs more muscle but it shouldn't be that crazy of a difference.

But back when I wrestled in HS I was 5'8 and competed at 138lbs...when I wrestled D2 I was 5'9 competed at 177 this was due to me both lifting and taking some stuff. Look at a guy like Randleman who competed 1 weight class below me when he wrestled and how he was a heavyweight in MMA. How did he go from 165lbs to 220 LEAN. Come on son, it's simple. Great genetics+Androgenic substances. RIP to Kev though
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I've always had really good genetics for size and back in those days people would approach me thinking I'm on gear. I told them I wasn't and why I wouldn't do it. (Didn't want dependency, didn't want to fuck up my endocrine system along with being a giant vaginal with needles) but yeah I've had pro trainers basically tell me if I wanted to be a professional bodybuilder that I could be a shoe in to win many events due to sheer genetics that people would kill for. I just didn't want to do the drugs man. Simple as that. And I have small bones too. Which make the muscle groups look even better. When you have a larger skeleton you gotta put on way more mass to look "big" but when u have smaller bones the muscle mass looks HUGE!!! That was why guys like Ultimate Warrior looked fucking jacked. I mean he was but he had smaller bone scrutcture.
 
CerebralKnievel said:
This is what comes to mind. While I don't discount the clear reality that everyone uses PEDs, I also find it amusing when people come on these forums with the belief that looking in shape is impossible without them.
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The difference is, I'm not some couch potato who finds it hard to realize that being in shape is hard. I've competed on the national stage in wrestling, I've been lifting my whole life, and I've been around the stuff. The point being, I have a solid perspective on who is likely doing what. All I'm saying is, the UFC should spend less testing money on the Cody Pfister looking guys, and maybe a little more money on the Caio Magalahes's (Again , not saying anything)
 
120wrestling said:
Damn, I guess you took stuff as you started lifting. It's known that you should have a few natural years under you so you have a base. But it's true, I used to bench 325 for 2 and now I'm at 215 for 5. It's honestly crazy at how powerful things like Dros are
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I wouldn't really consider it as taking stuff. Lol I bought it from Sav-On which today is CVS in the supplement section. (Hate to age myself lol) How the fuck was i supposed to know? but yeah I took andro, creatine and protein shakes.
 
120wrestling said:
The difference is, I'm not some couch potato who finds it hard to realize that being in shape is hard. I've competed on the national stage in wrestling, I've been lifting my whole life, and I've been around the stuff. The point being, I have a solid perspective on who is likely doing what. All I'm saying is, the UFC should spend less testing money on the Cody Pfister looking guys, and maybe a little more money on the Caio Magalahes's (Again , not saying anything)
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how is it you claim to have a solid perspective yet from your first post to now you contradict yourself? If there are PEDs that don't make a huge difference in your appearance why should they use the appearance test at all?
 
Wait, are you saying fighters who look like they are pro natural body builders are likely using or people who use don't usually look like they use, or both?
 
120wrestling said:
As a guy whose taken PED's myself, I can honestly say that all the fighters USADA has caught isn't even a percentage of the amount of fighters they've missed..
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How does taking some Viagra from time to time give you knowledge about the % of PED users in the UFC?
 
ClosetVitorFan said:
I've always had really good genetics for size and back in those days people would approach me thinking I'm on gear. I told them I wasn't and why I wouldn't do it. (Didn't want dependency, didn't want to fuck up my endocrine system along with being a giant vaginal with needles) but yeah I've had pro trainers basically tell me if I wanted to be a professional bodybuilder that I could be a shoe in to win many events due to sheer genetics that people would kill for. I just didn't want to do the drugs man. Simple as that. And I have small bones too. Which make the muscle groups look even better. When you have a larger skeleton you gotta put on way more mass to look "big" but when u have smaller bones the muscle mass looks HUGE!!! That was why guys like Ultimate Warrior looked fucking jacked. I mean he was but he had smaller bone scrutcture.
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While you undoubtably have great genetics you said you took a pro hormone.
That means you weren't natty. Just because they were legal then doesn't change that.
 
120wrestling said:
The difference is, I'm not some couch potato who finds it hard to realize that being in shape is hard. I've competed on the national stage in wrestling, I've been lifting my whole life, and I've been around the stuff. The point being, I have a solid perspective on who is likely doing what. All I'm saying is, the UFC should spend less testing money on the Cody Pfister looking guys, and maybe a little more money on the Caio Magalahes's (Again , not saying anything)
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That's where I disagree. Plenty of steroids athletes don't look like that. Look at the pitchers in baseball (Clemens, etc) or Josh Barnett.

On the other side, I'm built as such that most people seem to think I'm a competitive lifter or a fighter, yet I can assure you I have pathetic cardio because I rarely run more than a mile and I definitely don't train competitively in anything. Genetics dictate appearance within a margin, although fierce training can push the boundaries of that margin.
 
Though I need facts and actual violations and try to ignore the hearsay, I agree with you TS.

I think a lot fighters use and a lot are getting away with it. However, these recent high profile busts are putting everyone on notice and it might get better. Its opened a lot of eyes.
 
scorpipede said:
dude, you just don't have it. face it and stop wasting your money on PEDs. that shit's not good for you.
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So what youre saying is you didn't read? Well, for one I don't take PED's...only took them for about 2 years post high school while wrestling in college. And you said I just don't have it, which is weird as I've never attempted to go to the next level of athletics. I took supps like DBol just to fill out my frame, but than again you probably won't read this so it's all good I suppose
 
120wrestling said:
Damn, I guess you took stuff as you started lifting. It's known that you should have a few natural years under you so you have a base. But it's true, I used to bench 325 for 2 and now I'm at 215 for 5. It's honestly crazy at how powerful things like Dros are
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I used to bench press 315 for reps of 10 to 15!!! In my senior year. That's 3 plates. Everyone thought I was on gear. One of the football coaches even had to ask me if I was taking an illicit substances. I told him nothing I couldn't buy at a store. That's all I took. Yes those were different times. They ended making one of things I took illegal down the road but at the time I was legal 100 percent.
 
120wrestling said:
So what youre saying is you didn't read? Well, for one I don't take PED's...only took them for about 2 years post high school while wrestling in college. And you said I just don't have it, which is weird as I've never attempted to go to the next level of athletics. I took supps like DBol just to fill out my frame, but than again you probably won't read this so it's all good I suppose
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Well at least you're honest about your use. Brock started using in college and never stopped using. When he was 17 1/2 he was a lanky skinny kid.
 
CerebralKnievel said:
That's where I disagree. Plenty of steroids athletes don't look like that. Look at the pitchers in baseball (Clemens, etc) or Josh Barnett.

On the other side, I'm built as such that most people seem to think I'm a competitive lifter or a fighter, yet I can assure you I have pathetic cardio because I rarely run more than a mile and I definitely don't train competitively in anything. Genetics dictate appearance within a margin, although fierce training can push the boundaries of that margin.
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Buddy, if you read what I said in the beggining of the thread, I already explained how many PED's don't change body composition very much. I'm not saying that guys who take PED's always look built. Genetics allow you to make the most of your body, while PED's takes your body proportions to the NEXT level. I'm not saying having a great body insinuates PED usage...but it's pretty obvious to look at someone and see where the line of genetics and artificial hormones pans out. Look at guys like Palhares and Lombard, those guys are my height, and I'm a solidly sized guy as it is with the typical capped delt looks. And those guys make me look like a string bean. Genetics can only take you so far, guys like Lombard look better than most natty bodybuilders...and those guys have pushed the absolute limits of their genes
 
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