Usada Has Already Suspended 5 People This Year, What Does That Mean For Bones???

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  1. ermac88

    ermac88 Black Belt

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    In an organization that promoted and distributed steroids?

    That had bus drivers, game show hosts and pro wrestlers in their ranks AND predetermined outcomes.

    If steroids are a dis-qualifier for greatness, ha, anyone in Pride....
     
  2. YeahNo

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    Yawn, show me proof.
     
  3. YeahNo

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    Ok, so a fighter indicates that the contracts he is aware of (since I daresay he didn't read them all) specified no drug testing = everyone roided to the gills. Sounds legit. He may even be right, but without proof, it's a fart in the wind and, honestly, a waste of your time and mine.

    You can make whatever list you want, but what it boils down to is that JJ has multiple failed tests for PEDs and therefore cannot even be considered for GOAT. He might as well as had cement or iron put in his gloves. Cheating is cheating and cheaters can't be GOAT.

    You can cry about it or accept it. If Fedor comes out admits to PED use I'll reconsider my position at that time.
     
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  4. BKB92

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    4 year suspension (with regular drug testing throughout) seems pretty fair given his unrepentant behaviour in the past.

    He'll still be young enough to fight again then.
     
  5. 777 Others

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    They have literally nothing to do with the Jones case
     
  6. -Dim-

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    even if they only give him two, what are the odds he can go those two years without fucking up again.

    I know a lot of us said when he got one year last time that theres no way he can go a year without screwing up, but on the whole I dont think we really believed he would mess up that quickly.



    Im at the point now with jones if he gets two years, if backed into a corner and forced to bet my life on if he screws up again or not, I would go heavily on teh side of he screws up again.
     
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  7. -Dim-

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    no, he got a one year suspension last time out, but that was the maximum for the substance involved.

    this time for second offence he is looking at double the normal penalty for the subtance involved which this time is 2 x 2 years
     
  8. -Dim-

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    have to bear in mind WADA is 4-2 (four year basic with up to 2 year reduction) wheres UFC is 2+2 (2 year basic with 2 year aggravating)

    Also, the ones in 2014 werent second offences.

    4, 8, life didnt come in till 2015

    2014 was from memory, 2,4,8
     
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    Mir's suspension is already up ?
    If he wins he would have Ko'd Nog, Cro Cop and Fedor. Not bad.
    Mir is such a different guy, but most of his fights are exciting...
    I liked his finish against Kongo..
    He subbed Tank Abbot , Brock Lesnar, Big Nog, prime Sylvia

    I really wonder how this turns out.
    Mir could go all out like against Todd Duffee.
     
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  10. -Dim-

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    Its hard to compare because like i say, penalties under teh wada code are different to penalties under the UFC program.

    a first offence under the WADA code is 4 years, with potential for reductions., A first offence in the ufc (for most substances) is 2 years with potential to increase to 4 years if aggravating circumstances present.

    thats why i refer to UFC being 2+2 whereas wada code is 4-2

    Its much easier to get a 4 year ban in teh UFC than it is a 4 year ban under WADA


    Under the WADA code Jones would be facing 8 years, less any reductions for degree of fault etc.

    Under teh UFC program Jones is facing 4 years with potential for increase up to 8 years but incredibly unlikely

    but its hard to compare regular usada suspensions under the wada code with ufc suspensions because the starting point, and the criteria for reductiomn/increase is totally different.

    its like trying to compare UK court cases with US ones.






    that said, the chances of Jones facing more than 4 years is pretty remote. to get aggravating circumstances to stick

    1) must enhance in bout performance - they can tick that one off

    and then one of

    + be part of a co-ordinated doping scheme - hard to prove

    or

    + Be one of multiple positives or a positive involving multiple substances - neither of which it is


    I think it will be hard to stick.



    im more intersted in, if, like last time Malki co-ordinates a total load of obvious BS, whether USADA charge him with a doping violation (which they can do)
     
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  11. Thaijitsu612

    Thaijitsu612 Brown Belt

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    No, not a fan of either. Lhw sucks ass. Jones looked like shit against the two people his size. One of those two people was osp, who sucks.
     
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    Lol both his tests came back positive and its not even his first time getting popped. I didn't think there was anyone stupid to actually believe the "muh dick is too huge i need pills" excuse, but here you are.
     
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    What is going on in this gif?
     
  14. DarkneT

    DarkneT Bones is GOAT, change my mind Platinum Member

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    Have you not seen the size of his hog bro
     
  15. ThinkBig500

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    Jones will get off with a fine and maybe a reduced suspension. We’re already halfway through what would be a one year suspension, so Jones fighting this summer wouldn’t surprise me.

    USADA can burn in flames if jones gets less than 2 years imo. Cormier is talking about retirement and it’s already so weak. They will be corrupt in Jones’ favor
     
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    I stand corrected, thank you. Still, he should get a minimum of 2 years. That's fair.
     
  17. pride_is_back

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    I still can't believe a skinny girl like Jessica would pop for roids.
     
  18. savemgs

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    Don't worry he's going to be fighting again soon and show what a joke the system is.
     
  19. ostlerrage

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    he has that ufc puppet nowitsky in his corner so he'll be ok
     

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