USADA could have gotten back Brock Lesnar’s positive drug test result before UFC 200.

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  1. Fedor's NO.1 Fan

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    USADA did not get the test result back until July 14, according to the UFC. That timeframe between the sample collection and the result returning is standard in the industry.

    However, USADA could have gotten the results back quicker had the agency requested it be expedited.

    Lesnar's sample was sent to the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory. Anthony Butch, the lab's director, told MMA Fighting through a spokesperson that expedited results can return in anywhere from two days to a week. The cost for an expedited result starts at $35 per sample with the cost rising for weekend and holiday testing. The maximum is $450.

    UCLA only charges the California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) $30 to request an expedite, according to CSAC's contract with the lab obtained by MMA Fighting in a public records request. The contract states that an expedited result can come back in three business days.

    Lesnar's sample was collected eight business days prior to UFC 200.

    Read the full article: http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/8/7...back-brock-lesnar-s-positive-drug-test-result
     
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    Everything is rigged
     
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    Everyone knew that already.. but if you start to expedite some test ("high profile fighters", close to fights) but not others then you open yourself up for questions/"allegations".. If the UFC wants to expedite all I am sure they can pay USADA for that.

    It is suppose to be pretty anonymous and "auto-systematic" to 100% secure "legitimacy", (integrity of the whole process). Just numbers on a cup, bag...

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    That is what you open yourself up to then..
     
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    No sh+t , really?

    you dont open yourself to nothing. some are more important and time sensitive than others.
     
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    Doesn't make any sense though since Jon was pulled as well
     
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    they don't do that because of all the anonymity stuff and the bias involved

    but maybe they could just expedite all results from ufc 200, without any distinction
     
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    You are forgetting one thing. Lesnar got exempted from the prior tests. So it would have made sense to expedite his sample tests as special case.
     
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    He was tested 8 times. It's not like this was his first result. He had already passed a bunch.
     
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    Each individual samples are for different substances. You can not trace all of the banned substances/steroids/recreational drugs usage from a single sample.
     
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    I didn't know we had this many forensics experts on this forum until UFC 200.
     
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    Yeah and I hate that shit.. might be a good "rule" to expedite all the test from people exempt form the 4 month window. (put it in the contracts and make the fighter pay for it :D )
     
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    This isnt totally accurate.

    First, theres a lot of difference between a commission having a sample expedited (who dont follow wada protocol so dont have anonymity of samples - so its easy for them to say - expadite Lesnars sample). Totally different under ADAMS in that samples are 100% confidential, nobody at the lab knows who they belong to so expediting by a certain date can be a breach of that anonymity.

    Two, a 2 day turnaround is bullshit.. that may be the case if its only a very basic urine test, but for serious analysis, some of the tests take 3-4 days to complete, so theres no way they can return in 2 days.

    Third.. from the article "An expediting request does not necessarily mean a result will come back any quicker than usual"

    Fourth... "Positive drug test results take longer to return than negative ones, because the labs double and triple check to confirm the positive before sending it back to an agency"

    Novitzky ""It's not as simple as it sounds," he said. "We're having an event literally every week now — 24 to 26 fighters per each card. A lot of those fighters are being tested in the two to three weeks before a fight. You would have to expedite every one of those tests. If you want to expedite one or two tests, the costs with the laboratory are relatively minor. When you start talking about 100 or so a month or more, you could more than double the cost of this program.""



    In some ways its right, in some ways its wrong.. but the article is quite balanced in countering both arguments...

    its not QUITE as TS would have you believe from the title.. I dont think he read the entire article to be honest.
     
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    They knew as soon as they got them when Lesnar's samples melted their equipment.
     
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    interesting movement of the word "could" in the title by the way TS... ;)
     
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    What is this a samoan catwalk show?
     
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    What about analysis methods that take more than three days to run :D

    Oh yeh, thats right.. California only run bog standard basic urine analysis.

    apples and oranges...



    Thats like saying California can take their car in to have the tyres changed and have the car back in three days, and then argue that UFC could have an entire engine and gearbox replacement done in the same time..
     
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    This attempt to paint a picture of corruption between the UFC and USADA is hilarious considering they failed him.

    If you're rigging testing to protect fighters, wouldn't you rig it so they don't fail?

    If Mark sees this he's gonna try to beat up a ten year old.
     
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    good thing they didn't, they have ruined enough fights.
     
  20. BisexualMMA

    BisexualMMA Don't Put My Name in the Name of Steroids!

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    Meh, whatever. Hadn't he already passed a handful of tests?
     

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