USADA Corrupt?

[DetroitRob]

Deadspin article with accusations of USADA making exceptions for Mayweather. Victor Conte chimes in, I know he was busted for selling designer PEDs but I believe Conte most of the time. Nobody knowns cheating better and now that he got busted he speaks out.

Granted there is a lot more money in boxing and money corrupts all but makes you wonder how legit the testing will be in the UFC. Anderson Silva was popped, he would have been the idea candidate to sweep a positive test under the rug because of his legacy and legend or to be made an example of if USADA wanted to flex their muscles to show how important they are to a clean sport.

Source: http://deadspin.com/report-floyd-mayweather-received-banned-iv-before-pacq-1729780175?hipra_discussion_redesign=off&utm_expid=66866090-52.r5txldOmRkqnbJxnyozIeA.1&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FsrqP83AxwP

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9/9/9271811/can-boxing-trust-usada

 

[mmmjojo]

Them Brazilians I tell ya

 

[biscuitsbrah]

That's the definition of corruption. Pretty much makes this whole USADA deal with the UFC look a lot less legitimate than they were implying

 

[kurtwpg]

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[CurbStomp]

"In a clean world, fighters don

 

[ok1ok1]

The Mayweather situation is troubling. I cant understand why its not getting more attention from the media. If you don't feel like reading the article the facts are as follows.

Mayweather received an unauthorized (illegal) IV one day before his May 2nd fight with Pacquiao.

USADA granted Mayweather a retroactive therapeutic use exemption for the IVs 18 days after the fight. Mayweather claims the IV's were a multivitamin and vitamin C. (IV's can also contain agents to mask doping)

USADA didn't (wasn't required to) notify the Nevada State Athletic Commission or Pacquiaos camp of the IV usage until after the exemption was granted.

USADA gave no justifiable explanation for the exemption.

Pacquiao was denied a legal injection of Toradol before the fight for his torn rotator cuff. The NSAC says the request wasnt made in a, "timely manner".

Fishy fishy

 

[AGEZ909]

When there is money to be made, there will be curruption... of course all this shit about the pac mayweather fight is coming out..... the first fight sold 4.4m at 100 a pop.. all this shit starts ccoming out.. throw in pacmans "injured shoulder" and you are going to have butt hurt fans crying for a rematch..


Mayweather beats berto. Retires... people talk shit for him not fighting pacquiao again. He comes back a year or so later and fights manny again... even if the rematch does half as good as the first.. thats still over 2m at 100 a pop...

Another day at the office.....


Side note. Id also like to add. That its funny how its all of brazils fault when something shady goes on over there, but its only an org or companies fault in the usa... im american btw...

 

[GordaoPreguico]

Deadspin as usual is stealing someone elses work and giving them a little blurb in the content so they dont get sued.

edit: I went to the site and they actually gave more credit than I thought.

 

[nephel]

The Mayweather situation is troubling. I cant understand why its not getting more attention from the media. If you don't feel like reading the article the facts are as follows.

 

[AFewDollarsMore]

corrupt as the clintons so it needs to be abolished

 

[savemgs]

Yes...

 

[neandertal]

So (pro) boxing had an IV ban all along...


Of course amateur (olympics) boxing had it.

 

[DetroitRob]

Also stated in the article that Mayweather failed drug tests and was granted a TUE before the "B" sample could be tested.

Would this happen for a fighter on the undercard? Hell no. But when there are 100's of millions of dollars on the line things like this happen all the time.

So with everyone cheering the UFCs decision to bring in USADA, which I still think was necessary, its obvious not the end all fixes to all of the PED problems.

Fortunately there is no fighter making Mayweather money in MMA so this corruption is unlikely until someone is.

 

[dim_]

USADA has tested 46 fights. they have caught 1 person. that guy (Morales) was allowed to fail 4 tests without being considered to have been caught. When a journalist broke the story that he had failed a drug test, they informed the athletic commission that there had been some "questionable" results.


On a side note, VADA has tested 18 fights and caught 3 people.

Two boxers (Paul Koon was the other) have been banned by USADA both for 2 years NOT one
(and thats before you add in amatuer boxers, Thompson, Arias, Allan Jr, Hunter, Cochran, gomez and countless others)

Morales failed TWO tests not FOUR

Of the three VADA caught:
1. was contamination and not banned
2. was allowed to retain his title and not banned
3. was asked to pee in a regular drinking glass by the tester who had forgotten to bring proper equipment with him.

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[nephel]

Two boxers (Paul Koon was the other) have been banned by USADA both for 2 years NOT one
(and thats before you add in amatuer boxers, Thompson, Arias, Allan Jr, Hunter, Cochran, gomez and countless others)

Paul Koon was banned for failing to file his whereabouts information. He was not banned for a test failure.

Morales failed TWO tests not FOUR

his A and B samples both failed on two occasions. I was calling that 4 tests because there were 4 samples tested and they all failed without USADA reporting it. In retrospect, i can see how that could be a misleading way to say that and apologise for any confusion.

That being said, two test failures is one more than was needed for them to report it.

Of the three VADA caught:
1. was contamination and not banned

to be clear, the sample wasn't contaminated. he was contaminated. the test detected trace amounts of the steroid and it was determined that it was the result of him ingesting a supplement or food that was contaminated. The VADA testing worked correctly.

2. was allowed to retain his title and not banned

You are talking about Lamont Peterson? That is a failure of the boxing commission, not VADA.

3. was asked to pee in a regular drinking glass by the tester who had forgotten to bring proper equipment with him.

That's the story Brandon Rios told. Is there any evidence that that is true? He also suggested that Freddie Roach had contaminated the glass to get back at Rios' nutritionist after their infamous argument before the fight. So Rios' story basically requires Roach and the collection agent to both have conspired to set Rios up. It would have been easier for them to just contaminate the urine in the collection containers after Rios had given it.

 

[UL]

All corrupt

 

[dim_]

Paul Koon was banned for failing to file his whereabouts information. He was not banned for a test failure.



his A and B samples both failed on two occasions. I was calling that 4 tests because there were 4 samples tested and they all failed without USADA reporting it. In retrospect, i can see how that could be a misleading way to say that and apologise for any confusion.

That being said, two test failures is one more than was needed for them to report it.



to be clear, the sample wasn't contaminated. he was contaminated. the test detected trace amounts of the steroid and it was determined that it was the result of him ingesting a supplement or food that was contaminated. The VADA testing worked correctly.



You are talking about Lamont Peterson? That is a failure of the boxing commission, not VADA.



That's the story Brandon Rios told. Is there any evidence that that is true? He also suggested that Freddie Roach had contaminated the glass to get back at Rios' nutritionist after their infamous argument before the fight. So Rios' story basically requires Roach and the collection agent to both have conspired to set Rios up. It would have been easier for them to just contaminate the urine in the collection containers after Rios had given it.

on Koon, in Hausers article he doesnt speficy ped test, he says anti doping rule violation. Wherabouts failures is a rule violation.

its not 4 samples. the a and b sample both come from the same original collection, so 99/9999% of the time they will always be the same. For sake of argument when testing they actually split the a-sample into two batches, so we could claim 6 failures.. its still only 2

and yes, the bans may be the fault of the commission, but usada still managed to ban boxers for 2 years.

Rios, no hard evidence, but no hard evidence disproving it either. but you can be sure if the incident involved usada, or certain fighters in mma it would be readily accepted as fact regardless

 

[nephel]

on Koon, in Hausers article he doesnt speficy ped test, he says anti doping rule violation. Wherabouts failures is a rule violation.

ah. i was just referring to their actual testing about how many people they caught.

my concern is that we have a well documented case of them effectively ignoring positive test results until they got caught and, on top of that, in 2.5 times the fights they've caught 1/3 the violators when compared to VADA's tests.

I'm not saying USADA is corrupt. However, given the Morales thing, the Mayweather thing, and the fact that they are a government contractor they should probably be investigated.

its not 4 samples. the a and b sample both come from the same original collection, so 99/9999% of the time they will always be the same. For sake of argument when testing they actually split the a-sample into two batches, so we could claim 6 failures.. its still only 2

it's a fair criticism and i'll accept the correction.

and yes, the bans may be the fault of the commission, but usada still managed to ban boxers for 2 years.

but they didn't. they provided accurate information to the commission. the commission banned the boxers. The USADA succeeded in every part of the process they had control over and the commission acted appropriately. I have no issue with these events.

In the VADA case, VADA provided accurate information to the commission and the commission chose not to ban the boxers. That cannot be held up as a vailure of VADA because they succeeded in every part of the process that they had control over.

my only point on this is that that case is not something to criticize VADA for. I'm not trying to diminish USADA's successes.

Rios, no hard evidence, but no hard evidence disproving it either. but you can be sure if the incident involved usada, or certain fighters in mma it would be readily accepted as fact regardless

The burden of proof is on Rios to show that there was something improper about the process. He's the one making the extraordinary claim.

If it involved the usada or certain fighters in mma (and boxing for that matter), i agree that many peoples' biases would lead them to accept whichever story adheres to their preferred worldview without questioning or testing it. For my part, if the usada had been managing those tests, i would still require rios to provide some kind of evidence to support those claims.

 

[JayElectra]

The Mayweather situation is troubling. I cant understand why its not getting more attention from the media. If you don't feel like reading the article the facts are as follows.

 

[JayElectra]

So (pro) boxing had an IV ban all along...


Of course amateur (olympics) boxing had it.

It doesn't. Fights where USADA or VADA isn't contracted to do the drug testing (aka, the vast majority of professional bouts in Nevada), there is no IV ban. It will only be UFC fights (as they're contracting USADA) that are subject to the IV ban starting in October. Amateur boxing is subject to complete WADA guidelines and therefore has had an IV ban for awhile.