US Terrorists Detained by Venezuelan Regime

Darkballs said:
This whole things reeks of retardation.

You've got Silvercorp, the apparent employer of at least two of these guys, tweeting about a successful incursion into Venezuela two days ago.

Now I've bumped into a few guys from the farm back in the day, and while they never struck me as particularly bright or even tactical, I doubt the Agency would be dumb enough to broadcast their moves through social media. Nor does it strike me as a realistic approach to establishing assets in country.

Silvercorps is only two years old. I'm think this might have been a private enterprise to get the attention of our state department and hope for a contract. Which is unfortunate, because it gives Maduro political points, and will be hard to deny as denial is always seen as confirmation of covert activity.

This whole thing has "derp" written all over it. If this was an actual sanctioned thing, then everyone involved in the planning and approval needs to be shitcanned immediately, and any elected or appointed official needs to be tossed out on their ass.
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I thought Christians in Action had Special Activities Division, which are supposed to be on a par with Military Special Ops?
 
HockeyBjj said:
Exactly. Spies gotta be inconspicuous

CIA isn’t full of a bunch of Mark walbergs and Matt Damons. No, it’s a sampling from peopleofwalmart.com because who would suspect that?
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MI6 Officers absolutely love watching James Bond movies, because they are the exact opposite of real life intelligence service operations. As one spook put it, "Bond is the worst spy in the world - everyone knows who he is!"<45>
 
KnightTemplar said:
I thought Christians in Action had Special Activities Division, which are supposed to be on a par with Military Special Ops?
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So I've heard. On one hand I'd imagine it has to be true. At least in the sense that they can probably recruit from tons of military and SF guys, so how could they not be capable? On the other hand I've only got my own personal experiences to draw from. I only worked along side them twice.

Once was just escorting some guys through the mountains in indian territory. Now granted, we were recon and this was our game; and I didn't know the background of the guys we were helping. Maybe they were qualified in a whole bunch of stuff I never got to see, or maybe they weren't the paramilitary branch. But I wasn't impressed with what I saw.

Other time was in a different country where we were snooping and pooping just fine, trying to get within range to try and DF (direction find: determine the bad guys positions through signals intercept). Without going into too many details, the formal conflict hadn't started. Meaning, we were not just evading the bad guys attention, we were also evading the watchful eyes of the U.N. monitoring forces. Everything was going well. We had spent quite a few hours getting near where we needed to be. Suddenly, a couple of pickup trucks with some agency guys just rode up to a fence line, and while keeping the damn headlights of their trucks on (it was nighttime) proceeded to cut through a border fence (in violation of international law as formal hostilities had not begun). Needless to say, they were immediately spotted by the U.N. helicopter overhead. Mission scrubbed, and we crawled our way back home. But again, no real idea of those guys background, so who knows what that fuckup was representative of, in the larger picture of the Agency's capabilities.

I suppose I should add, that I did get to know one former SAD guy after I got out. Never worked with him, and what we really talked about was rather limited in terms of details. But he did strike me as a smart guy who seemed tactically sound. But this guy had also spent some 15 years in the Army, so it could have come from that.

Regardless, any apprehension I have for those guys martial prowess, pales in comparison to this story. This shit is a whole new level of retarded.
 
Philo-Publius said:
"Terrorists" should be in quotations. The Venezuelan government is the real terrorist. Interrogators probably squeezed those guys' testicles until they admitted to whatever the Venezuelan government wanted them to admit to. But, even if it's true, it's far better than a full scale invasion. No?
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LMAO

Every country in the world reserves the right to shoot foreign invaders.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

And these guy were already outed by the military pal they trained with.
 
Darkballs said:
So I've heard. On one hand I'd imagine it has to be true. At least in the sense that they can probably recruit from tons of military and SF guys, so how could they not be capable? On the other hand I've only got my own personal experiences to draw from. I only worked along side them twice.

Once was just escorting some guys through the mountains in indian territory. Now granted, we were recon and this was our game; and I didn't know the background of the guys we were helping. Maybe they were qualified in a whole bunch of stuff I never got to see, or maybe they weren't the paramilitary branch. But I wasn't impressed with what I saw.

Other time was in a different country where we were snooping and pooping just fine, trying to get within range to try and DF (direction find: determine the bad guys positions through signals intercept). Without going into too many details, the formal conflict hadn't started. Meaning, we were not just evading the bad guys attention, we were also evading the watchful eyes of the U.N. monitoring forces. Everything was going well. We had spent quite a few hours getting near where we needed to be. Suddenly, a couple of pickup trucks with some agency guys just rode up to a fence line, and while keeping the damn headlights of their trucks on (it was nighttime) proceeded to cut through a border fence (in violation of international law as formal hostilities had not begun). Needless to say, they were immediately spotted by the U.N. helicopter overhead. Mission scrubbed, and we crawled our way back home. But again, no real idea of those guys background, so who knows what that fuckup was representative of, in the larger picture of the Agency's capabilities.

I suppose I should add, that I did get to know one former SAD guy after I got out. Never worked with him, and what we really talked about was rather limited in terms of details. But he did strike me as a smart guy who seemed tactically sound. But this guy had also spent some 15 years in the Army, so it could have come from that.

Regardless, any apprehension I have for those guys martial prowess, pales in comparison to this story. This shit is a whole new level of retarded.
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Interesting stuff. Thanks for answering in detail.

Yeah, from what little I know, the vast majority if not all SAD operators are ex-military. Usually with elite units like Rangers, Special Forces, Marine Scout-Sniper etc.
 
KnightTemplar said:
Interesting stuff. Thanks for answering in detail.

Yeah, from what little I know, the vast majority if not all SAD operators are ex-military. Usually with elite units like Rangers, Special Forces, Marine Scout-Sniper etc.
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That, but you have to be kinda squeaky clean too. I actually went through the interview process about 15 years ago. Wasn't sure if I'd take the job if it was offered. But I was intrigued enough to pursue the option as I saw it as a once in a lifetime kinda opportunity.

I'm an attorney now, and I can't see how I'd be prohibited from telling this story, absent maybe a few details. Anyway, they guy I mentioned in my previous post:

I met this guy by chance. After I got out of the Marines, I went to college. Graduated with a B.A. in three years. Didn't want to get into any student loan debt (and the G.I. Bill is actually awesome and will straight up pay for a reasonably priced state undergrad program with a stipend of like, $2,000/month) I bartended at a campus bar. It was a great job in that it was easy money (an SEC economic powerhouse, and working at a bar within walking distance of the stadium meant that you made a grand a night during football season).

Anyway, we had regulars and one older guy was introduced to me by another bartender who knew we had both been in Afghanistan right after 9-11. While we couldn't remember ever having worked together, he was aware of my type of work in the Marines, as playing escort duty for some agency guys, tracking them through the mountains, delivering them to some place, and making sure nobody got hurt. So I worked out that he was a former Agency guy who had retired and was now a professor. A year or so later as I'm nearing graduation, I get into a chat with him about what I plan on doing when I graduate. I mention I'm interested in his previous work. He reaches out and gets the ball started. I don't remember him really being able to tell me anything specific about what he did. I suspect it was just similar to good ole BN Recon, in the sense that he just scouted battlefields on behalf of the Agency, but who knows. I more remember him somewhat grilling me, as he was putting his reputation on the line for a guy he had only known cassually, to make sure I wasn't going to embarrass him. Essentially telling me that any shitty arrests or dumb shit I've done in my past, which, in my defense, was minimal, would come to hurt his reputation.

Anyway, I know I didn't start the process through the public channels. The whole process was long, and quite a trip in or itself. But that part I'm not so sure I want to talk about. I'll think on it.

Ultimately, I wasn't offered a position. More to do with the fact that they were hoping I was a fluent Arabic speaker. I'm not, nor was I ever. At some point in the year and a half long interview process they became aware that I minored in Arabic as an undergrad. Being desperate for Arabic speakers, they were really hoping that I was proficient enough to be employed in that capacity. At some point in the interview process, I remember the person in recruiting I was dealing with just insisting that I include a "familiarity" of the language in my application packet. Now, while it was true I had taken Arabic as an undergrad (it was a requirement for my B.A., and I figured that language had greater employment or monetary potential), the Arabic department at my school was just one dude, who taught three classes. You took them all, you minored. He was just a lax professor who didn't really give a shit. So while it was an easy A, I never got past basic conversational stuff).
So the foreign language test is hard as fuck. They grade you on a scale of 0-5. To illustrate how rough a grade that is: you could be 100% balls out fluent, and you'd only be a 4. In order to be a 5 you have to also have a "naturally formed accent." Basically, if you weren't born and raised in the region where that language was spoken, you were fucked. So my pitiful arabic schooling, combined with me being Cajun, meant I got a big ole 0. When I saw my recruiters disappointment that she hadn't bagged a fluent speaker, I wanted to tell her, "I fucking tried to tell you that I was hardly fluent and my peak was probably being able to order at a restaurant, but you dicks insisted that be highlighted on my application!"

So after that, I think my packet kinda fell into an administrative dump. They eventually re-opened it, I suppose, and asked if I wanted to fly back out to the D.C. area and start a large part of the process over again (needed to take another polygraph because it had been a few months since we last spoke, that sort of thing). I was never truly invested, so at that point I moved on to law school.

That's it for now. I'm only up typing so much because I've been on quarantine since late February, and I'm insane by now.
 
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Darkballs said:
That, but you have to be kinda squeaky clean too. I actually went through the interview process about 15 years ago. Wasn't sure if I'd take the job if it was offered. But I was intrigued enough to pursue the option as I saw it as a once in a lifetime kinda opportunity.

I'm an attorney now, and I can't see how I'd be prohibited from telling this story, absent maybe a few details. Anyway, they guy I mentioned in my previous post:

I met this guy by chance. After I got out of the Marines, I went to college. Graduated with a B.A. in three years. Didn't want to get into any student loan debt (and the G.I. Bill is actually awesome and will straight up pay for a reasonably priced state undergrad program with a stipend of like, $2,000/month) I bartended at a campus bar. It was a great job in that it was easy money (an SEC economic powerhouse, and working at a bar within walking distance of the stadium meant that you made a grand a night during football season).

Anyway, we had regulars and one older guy was introduced to me by another bartender who knew we had both been in Afghanistan right after 9-11. While we couldn't remember ever having worked together, he was aware of my type of work in the Marines, as playing escort duty for some agency guys, tracking them through the mountains, delivering them to some place, and making sure nobody got hurt. So I worked out that he was a former Agency guy who had retired and was now a professor. A year or so later as I'm nearing graduation, I get into a chat with him about what I plan on doing when I graduate. I mention I'm interested in his previous work. He reaches out and gets the ball started. I don't remember him really being able to tell me anything specific about what he did. I suspect it was just similar to good ole BN Recon, in the sense that he just scouted battlefields on behalf of the Agency, but who knows. I more remember him somewhat grilling me, as he was putting his reputation on the line for a guy he had only known cassually, to make sure I wasn't going to embarrass him. Essentially telling me that any shitty arrests or dumb shit I've done in my past, which, in my defense, was minimal, would come to hurt his reputation.

Anyway, I know I didn't start the process through the public channels. The whole process was long, and quite a trip in or itself. But that part I'm not so sure I want to talk about. I'll think on it.

Ultimately, I wasn't offered a position. More to do with the fact that they were hoping I was a fluent Arabic speaker. I'm not, nor was I ever. At some point in the year and a half long interview process they became aware that I minored in Arabic as an undergrad. Being desperate for Arabic speakers, they were really hoping that I was proficient enough to be employed in that capacity. At some point in the interview process, I remember the person in recruiting I was dealing with just insisting that I include a "familiarity" of the language in my application packet. Now, while it was true I had taken Arabic as an undergrad (it was a requirement for my B.A., and I figured that language had greater employment or monetary potential), the Arabic department at my school was just one dude, who taught three classes. You took them all, you minored. He was just a lax professor who didn't really give a shit. So while it was an easy A, I never got past basic conversational stuff).
So the foreign language test is hard as fuck. They grade you on a scale of 0-5. To illustrate how rough a grade that is: you could be 100% balls out fluent, and you'd only be a 4. In order to be a 5 you have to also have a "naturally formed accent." Basically, if you weren't born and raised in the region where that language was spoken, you were fucked. So my pitiful arabic schooling, combined with me being Cajun, meant I got a big ole 0. When I saw my recruiters disappointment that she hadn't bagged a fluent speaker, I wanted to tell her, "I fucking tried to tell you that I was hardly fluent and my peak was probably being able to order at a restaurant, but you dicks insisted that be highlighted on my application!"

So after that, I think my packet kinda fell into an administrative dump. They eventually re-opened it, I suppose, and asked if I wanted to fly back out to the D.C. area and start a large part of the process over again (needed to take another polygraph because it had been a few months since we last spoke, that sort of thing). I was never truly invested, so at that point I moved on to law school.

That's it for now. I'm only up typing so much because I've been on quarantine since late February, and I'm insane by now.
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That's really interesting, man. Sounds a lot like the recruitment process for MI5 and MI6 in the old days; people who went to the, "right" kind of school would be quietly approached by Professors etc and asked if they were interested in serving the nation. Back then, it wasn't unusual for prospective recruits to get a considerable way through the process before they actually found out what agency they were applying for.

The, "Old Boy's Network" method of recruitment eventually fell out of favour after the debacle caused by Kim Philby and the other traitors who had been recruited in this way, then betrayed their country to the Russians. Recruitment for the British Intelligence and Security services today is much like applying for any other branch of the Civil Service. MI5 and MI6 have their own websites.

The recruitment process for MI5/6 takes at least six months, partly because they check your life history back to about one minute after you've been conceived, lol. I applied for MI5 about ten years ago and made it to the final interview stage. But I tapped out when I did the maths on the salary offered vs the cost of moving to and living in London, one of the expensive cities on earth.

The road not taken, eh?
 
Darkballs said:
So I've heard. On one hand I'd imagine it has to be true. At least in the sense that they can probably recruit from tons of military and SF guys, so how could they not be capable? On the other hand I've only got my own personal experiences to draw from. I only worked along side them twice.

Once was just escorting some guys through the mountains in indian territory. Now granted, we were recon and this was our game; and I didn't know the background of the guys we were helping. Maybe they were qualified in a whole bunch of stuff I never got to see, or maybe they weren't the paramilitary branch. But I wasn't impressed with what I saw.

Other time was in a different country where we were snooping and pooping just fine, trying to get within range to try and DF (direction find: determine the bad guys positions through signals intercept). Without going into too many details, the formal conflict hadn't started. Meaning, we were not just evading the bad guys attention, we were also evading the watchful eyes of the U.N. monitoring forces. Everything was going well. We had spent quite a few hours getting near where we needed to be. Suddenly, a couple of pickup trucks with some agency guys just rode up to a fence line, and while keeping the damn headlights of their trucks on (it was nighttime) proceeded to cut through a border fence (in violation of international law as formal hostilities had not begun). Needless to say, they were immediately spotted by the U.N. helicopter overhead. Mission scrubbed, and we crawled our way back home. But again, no real idea of those guys background, so who knows what that fuckup was representative of, in the larger picture of the Agency's capabilities.

I suppose I should add, that I did get to know one former SAD guy after I got out. Never worked with him, and what we really talked about was rather limited in terms of details. But he did strike me as a smart guy who seemed tactically sound. But this guy had also spent some 15 years in the Army, so it could have come from that.

Regardless, any apprehension I have for those guys martial prowess, pales in comparison to this story. This shit is a whole new level of retarded.
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The only one I’ve worked with from the operational side was one of my Sim instructors at pilot training. This dude was a Navy A-4 pilot, flew some strike packages in route pack 6 over Hanoi, then went to fly for “””“civilian”””” airlines in Southeast Asia, South America, and Africa. This guy was in his late 70s-80s, thin as a rail, hooked up to an oxygen bottle, and would close his eyes if you were doing well and doze. If he needed to take over, though, he was laser focused, and incredibly sharp. One of the best instructors I had, and an absolute stud in terms of flying ability. If he’s any indicator of the aviation side, they’re solid.
 
lifelessheap said:
Pretty sure Maduros dog shit policies collapsed his country.
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A mixture of mismanagement by the Venezuelan gov. , their elites deliberately tanking the country with external help and the US / allied nations doing their best to sabotage Chavez and Maduro. It's like with Iran, you can't solely blame the Mullahs when the US is strangling them with sanctions.
 
lfd0311 said:
Posted on my iPhone, from the US.
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"hurrr durrr you live in a developed nation therefore you're supposed to be okay with blood thirsty private spooks causing civil unrest in foreign nations"

truly you have a massive galaxy brain
 
Corn Pop Hombre said:
"hurrr durrr you live in a developed nation therefore you're supposed to be okay with blood thirsty private spooks causing civil unrest in foreign nations"

truly you have a massive galaxy brain
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super rustled
 
lfd0311 said:
super rustled
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yeah, pointing out how low your IQ is means I'm super rustled.

You are the one that was so rustled you felt the need to quote reply to me on a comment that wasn't directed at you. Thats rustled. So rustled you just had to reply to me.
 
Limbo Pete said:
CIA-linked mercenaries/military types have been an effective strategy to shore up American corporate security via U.S. allied dictators for several decades. The last 70 years of history in Latin America has numerous (and disgusting) examples.
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and cia-linked private sector businessmen as well...
 
hillelslovak87 said:
Shit, you can go back even further to the US involvement in the Nicaraguan banana wars all the back in 1919, or the US involvement in Costa Rica from 1917-19, etc.

I like Johnathan Perkin's book Confessions of an Economic Hitman. It lays out what he and his ilk did, and how the corporate interest intertwined with US government interest, and how they screwed over the regions, to say nothing of Africa or the rest of the developing world, which always seems to need development in spite of the freedom that US involvement confers.
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You're right.

Can't wait to see how China treats them.
 
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