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So would you rather not have the means of defense against the new threats and technology and be left defenseless?
There doesn't have to be a war for you to prepare or defend for a war. That's what helps prevent the war. If you have no defense or offense for a war what is stopping a country that does?

Constantly being in a training camp means to stay ready so you don't have to get ready.
WHAT new threat? Who is this boogieman that we are preparing for?
There isn't some secret Wakandan nation that is going to pop up that we need to worry about invading us. This shit is just nonsense. All of our "wars" are not wars. There is not a "war" between America and Afghanistan, it's just us bombing the shit out of smaller countries.
Instead of wasting all of this money on bombs, it would be better served at building and strengthening ties.
As much as people fearmonger about 'globalists", we are all already heavily connected at the hips through our economies. It is none of our interests to go to world war, and likely, any real wars between real powers are going to be via the economy and politics.

That doesn't mean spend nothing on defense, but this nonsense should not be a priority. We spend entirely too much money on the military and then ignore a lot of the other things that are more pressing.
 
WHAT new threat? Who is this boogieman that we are preparing for?
There isn't some secret Wakandan nation that is going to pop up that we need to worry about invading us. This shit is just nonsense. All of our "wars" are not wars. There is not a "war" between America and Afghanistan, it's just us bombing the shit out of smaller countries.
Instead of wasting all of this money on bombs, it would be better served at building and strengthening ties.
As much as people fearmonger about 'globalists", we are all already heavily connected at the hips through our economies. It is none of our interests to go to world war, and likely, any real wars between real powers are going to be via the economy and politics.

That doesn't mean spend nothing on defense, but this nonsense should not be a priority. We spend entirely too much money on the military and then ignore a lot of the other things that are more pressing.
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so... umm... ever hear of china?
 
WHAT new threat? Who is this boogieman that we are preparing for?
There isn't some secret Wakandan nation that is going to pop up that we need to worry about invading us. This shit is just nonsense. All of our "wars" are not wars. There is not a "war" between America and Afghanistan, it's just us bombing the shit out of smaller countries.
Instead of wasting all of this money on bombs, it would be better served at building and strengthening ties.
As much as people fearmonger about 'globalists", we are all already heavily connected at the hips through our economies. It is none of our interests to go to world war, and likely, any real wars between real powers are going to be via the economy and politics.

That doesn't mean spend nothing on defense, but this nonsense should not be a priority. We spend entirely too much money on the military and then ignore a lot of the other things that are more pressing.

Saddam
 
Reread the post in its entirety, mate.

already did. you apparently think we can strengthen ties with china and then they'll just magically stop their bs with hong kong, trying to take taiwan, and trying to take the sea/build bases on islands they don't own in disputed waters/etc.

got it.

no holes in your logic. /s
 
That doesn't mean spend nothing on defense, but this nonsense should not be a priority. We spend entirely too much money on the military and then ignore a lot of the other things that are more pressing.
Military spending is at near historic lows.
 
He's right though. Priorities are in the wrong place. Having high tech weaponry doesn't make people safe. Having good foreign policy (refraining from engaging in proxy wars) and not heightening tensions with economic rivals would be the way to go if security is the goal. For every family that has a relative die in a US bombing, that's another terrorist created. US foreign policy is the worst in the world for the past few decades. That is the number one issue in the country that needs fixing. It wouldn't be necessary to spend trillions on military if politicians would stop creating conflicts.
Military spending is almost an all time low.
 
already did. you apparently think we can strengthen ties with china and then they'll just magically stop their bs with hong kong, trying to take taiwan, and trying to take the sea/build bases on islands they don't own in disputed waters/etc.

got it.

no holes in your logic. /s
No, you just made the conversation specifically about China when mines was not.
Strengthening ties doesnt just mean to China. We could have strengthened ties with Europe to curb the power of China. We could have politically and economically blocked all of China's recent expansions and investments all over the world.

We arent going to war over Taiwan or Hong Kong, so we can stop with that fantasy now.
As I said in my original post, any "wars" between super powers are going to be proxy, and economical ones. So to continue to spend trillions of dollars on conveniental war weaponry when we are already so far ahead is stupid and a waste of money.
We would much more effectively neutralize threats through economic and political pressure. There is no end to weapon upgrading.
 
And it is still entirely too high.
We have other actual problems.
Your viewpoints are shaped by being incredibly sheltered and privileged by Pax Americana.

It's only 3.5% of the GDP. That's extraordinarily low and it's not sustainable. At some point, we're going to have to double it to get back to historic norms.

If you're really worried about spending, there are much bigger places to save money. It doesn't seem like you're actually worried about the amount of money being spent. The military just seems to be an ideological scapegoat to you.
 
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Future "Fighter Pilots"......
 
Your viewpoints are shaped by being incredibly sheltered and privileged by Pax Americana.

It's only 3.5% of the GDP. That's extraordinarily low and it's not sustainable. At some point, we're going to have to double it to get back to historic norms.

If you're really worried about spending, there are much bigger places to save money. It doesn't seem like you're actually worried about the amount of money being spent. The military just seems to be an ideological scapegoat to you.
You don't know anything about me.
You're speaking from bullheaded blind nationalism if you think that what we're doing is perfect and has no room for improvement.

This isn't a thread about the overall American budget, I'm talking specifically about military spending because that's what the thread is related to. We objectively spend an absurd amount of money. Because we went from an absurdly high number, to a slightly less absurdly high number isn't something to pat our backs on. It's the same dumb argument about how we "decreased our carbon emissions" as if it means much of anything when the number is still out of control.
We obviously waste a lot of money in a lot of areas, no one would argue against that. My argument is that we would get a lot more bang for our buck in a variety of ways if we stopped acting like a hammer and focused on resources on smarter and more effective strategies--it's a problem throughout a lot of sectors in America, mismanagement of money and outdated, wasted methods of tackling problems.
 
Can it deal with the low tech drone swarms?

Actually I saw a story about 10 years ago talking about AI models that Northrop was developing. They talked about how one pilot could direct a number of drones at the same time.

I am sure due to its AI they could deploy their own drone army with 100's of small drones. Coordinated by only a few AI drones. We see in Casey video how the drone was able to menuver an video him. This technology could be dropped by the drone planes.
 
You don't know anything about me.
You're speaking from bullheaded blind nationalism if you think that what we're doing is perfect and has no room for improvement.

This isn't a thread about the overall American budget, I'm talking specifically about military spending because that's what the thread is related to. We objectively spend an absurd amount of money. Because we went from an absurdly high number, to a slightly less absurdly high number isn't something to pat our backs on. It's the same dumb argument about how we "decreased our carbon emissions" as if it means much of anything when the number is still out of control.
We obviously waste a lot of money in a lot of areas, no one would argue against that. My argument is that we would get a lot more bang for our buck in a variety of ways if we stopped acting like a hammer and focused on resources on smarter and more effective strategies--it's a problem throughout a lot of sectors in America, mismanagement of money and outdated, wasted methods of tackling problems.
You're extremely sheltered and privileged to have lived in a unipolar world. You need to check your privilege. The west in general does.
 
Fighter pilots introduce physical limitations (G limits) that UAVs don’t have. The pilot provides the real time analysis and decision making, but once the AI and sensors can match it, manned fighters will be no match against something that will be able to pull 2 x 3 times the amount of Gs.
Maneuverability isn't really that important anymore though, but i agree that these drones have insane potential.
 
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so... umm... ever hear of china?
If USA stopped purposely heightening tensions with China just because they are such a big economic rival then there wouldn't be any issues with them. If USA didn't have nukes then other countries wouldn't need them for protection.
 
If USA stopped purposely heightening tensions with China just because they are such a big economic rival then there wouldn't be any issues with them. If USA didn't have nukes then other countries wouldn't need them for protection.

Yes. Appeasement has a record of success. And if we didn't have any nobody else would either.


What a fuckin chachski.
 
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