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The US House of Representatives has voted overwhelmingly in favour of recognising the mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks during World War One as a genocide.

The issue is highly sensitive and comes amid deteriorating US-Turkey relations.

Presidential hopeful Joe Biden said the vote honoured the memory of victims.


Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the "worthless" vote, which was held on Turkey's National Day, was the "biggest insult" to Turkish people.

There is general agreement that hundreds of thousands of Armenians died when the Ottoman Turks deported them en masse from eastern Anatolia to the Syrian desert and elsewhere in 1915-16. They were killed or died from starvation or disease.

The total number of Armenian dead is disputed. Armenians say 1.5 million died. The Republic of Turkey estimates the total to be 300,000. According to the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS), the death toll was "more than a million".

The House also voted overwhelmingly to call on President Donald Trump to impose sanctions on Turkey and some of its officials over the Syria offensive.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50229787

Ilhan Omar, known for her brotherly love voted present and stated:


“A true acknowledgement of historical crimes against humanity must include both the heinous genocides of the 20th century, along with earlier mass slaughters like the transatlantic slave trade and Native American genocide, which took the lives of hundreds of millions of indigenous people in this country,” she said in the statement, according to CNN.

“For this reason, I voted ‘present’ on final passage of H.Res.296, the resolution Affirming the United States record on the Armenian Genocide,” she added.

It's about time this genocide is being acknowledged more, so far only 32 states have officially recognized the historical events as genocide.
 
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The "Sultan of Turkey" is not happy with this development:

'Shameful': Turkey rejects US resolution on 'Armenian genocide'
Turkey says US House's decision to call the 20th-century Armenian killings 'genocide' has no historical or legal basis.

"The resolution itself is also not legally binding," the statement said.

"As a meaningless political step, its sole addressees are the Armenian lobby and anti Turkey groups ... The debate on the events that occurred in 1915 belongs to the realm of history, not politics."

On Wednesday morning, Turkey summoned the US ambassador to the country over the resolution.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...lution-armenian-genocide-191030054815944.html
Obama had 8 years to full-fill his promise to recognize the Armenian genocide but in the end, it was merely an empty promise. Hopefully Trump will recognize it.
 
On a vote where there were 11 Nay votes (all GOP members) the OP seems to only call out Omar on her Present vote and strangely Obama for not passing a resolution in a branch of Government he doesn't control..... interesting

Of the 11 Nay votes 4 were Reps from Indiana. Does that state have a huge Turkish population or something?
 
On a vote where there were 11 Nay votes (all GOP members) the OP seems to only call out Omar on her Present vote and strangely Obama for not passing a resolution in branch of Government he doesn't control..... interesting

Of the 11 Nay votes 4 were Reps from Indiana. Does that state have a huge Turkish population or something?
She was the only one I saw that explained her reasoning behind her vote.

As for Obama, key figures in his administration said Obama and his administration were too scared to upset the fragile relationship with Turkey as the reason why they didn't recognize the genocide.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/19/armenian-genocide-ben-rhodes-samantha-power-obama-349973
 
Good. It's about time. It's shocking how so few people even know about this today, in comparison to, say, the Holocaust. This was a terrible event and it's shameful for any country not to acknowledge that it was indeed a genocide.
 
Good. It's about time. It's shocking how so few people even know about this today, in comparison to, say, the Holocaust. This was a terrible event and it's shameful for any country not to acknowledge that it was indeed a genocide.
According to Central Council of Jews in Germany, Adolf Hitler used this genocide as a blueprint for the Holocaust.
 
The 11 “nay” votes on Tuesday came from Republican Reps. Jim Baird (Ind.), Kevin Brady (Texas), Susan Brooks (Ind.), Larry Bucshon (Ind.), Tom Cole (Okla.), Virginia Fox (N.C.), Andy Harris (Md.), Mark Meadows (N.C.), Greg Pence (Ind.), Mike Rogers (Ala.) and Mac Thornberry (Texas).

Representatives for the four Indiana lawmakers who voted against the resolution did not immediately return messages for comment.
 
LOL at erdogay being upset. He looks like a can of smashed asshole and act like one.
 
The 11 “nay” votes on Tuesday came from Republican Reps. Jim Baird (Ind.), Kevin Brady (Texas), Susan Brooks (Ind.), Larry Bucshon (Ind.), Tom Cole (Okla.), Virginia Fox (N.C.), Andy Harris (Md.), Mark Meadows (N.C.), Greg Pence (Ind.), Mike Rogers (Ala.) and Mac Thornberry (Texas).

They should be ashamed of themselves. I'd love to hear their explanation.
 
Good. It's about time. It's shocking how so few people even know about this today, in comparison to, say, the Holocaust. This was a terrible event and it's shameful for any country not to acknowledge that it was indeed a genocide.
we criticize Germany quite a bit for various things. But they have gone to the maximum in acknowledging the terrible actions of 80 years ago.

Turkey is the opposite. One of the scum nations on earth. Their leader deserves a terrible death.
 
They should be ashamed of themselves. I'd love to hear their explanation.

That they accept the Turkish narrative that they were and somehow are the victims of the people that comprised their former Empire bloodthirsty Armenians,Kurds etc , I mean we are pretty brazen about our past Imperial shenanigans but even we haven't tried pulling that one .
 
Democrats trying to punish Turkey for working out peace deals with President Trump. Despite their immature reasoning, it's still a good thing to bring attention to this atrocity.
 
Good, it was genocide. Those saying otherwise should be ashamed.

God bless the Armenian people.
 
She was the only one I saw that explained her reasoning behind her vote.

As for Obama, key figures in his administration said Obama and his administration were too scared to upset the fragile relationship with Turkey as the reason why they didn't recognize the genocide.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/19/armenian-genocide-ben-rhodes-samantha-power-obama-349973
But she voted "present" with the caveat that hey, there was another genocide we should be acknowledging, lets not be hypocrites.
 
Good, it was genocide. Those saying otherwise should be ashamed.

God bless the Armenian people.
I look forward to seeing Cenk have a fucking conniption and hopefully heart attack trying to hula hoop his way through this.
 
Good. It's about time. It's shocking how so few people even know about this today, in comparison to, say, the Holocaust. This was a terrible event and it's shameful for any country not to acknowledge that it was indeed a genocide.
Not really shocking, the victims of the Holocaust were mainly Europeans and in the case of the Jews very educated ones at that. That means that they were literate in European languages that most developed countries can understand or ones that are easily translated to languages they understand. Not so with Armenians and victims of other major genocides.

Anti-Semites like to use the over-teaching of the Holocaust as evidence of the dominance of Jewry in American society but I have a different conspiracy theory on it; lazy English teachers. With the Holocaust there is so much literature written on it in every kind of genre; autobiographies, novels, plays, graphic novels, movies and so on. So if you want to pad out your lesson plan as an English teacher Holocaust literature is a perfect go to. And what is your superior going to say to the fact that students are being exposed to Holocaust literature every year, that it shouldn't be taught? That would cause quite the shitstorm. Its such a major event and its so sensitive that its a lot harder to justify not teaching it than teaching it even if the students have read something on it for the last five years straight. They read Anne Frank last year? Give them Maus the next and Night the year after and maybe show them Schindler's List too. Basically an endless well for your lesson plans.

Compare that to how much literature on the Armenian genocide or the atrocities in the Congo Free State there is that is accessible to your average American student. Not a lot I'd bet.
we criticize Germany quite a bit for various things. But they have gone to the maximum in acknowledging the terrible actions of 80 years ago.

Turkey is the opposite. One of the scum nations on earth. Their leader deserves a terrible death.
Turkey and Japan stand on one end of the spectrum when it comes to dealing with one's past atrocities and Germany on the exact opposite end. Some people, usually right wingers, criticize Germans for how much they self-flagellate over the Holocaust but I imagine most of us can agree that's far more preferable than the nationalist revisionism of the Turks and Japanese.
But she voted "present" with the caveat that hey, there was another genocide we should be acknowledging, lets not be hypocrites.
Eh, that's a weak sauce justification. Acknowledging this atrocity is not mutually exclusive to acknowledging others. Its true there's some identity politics at play since the regime responsible is in the Western imagination a paradigm of Oriental despotism and whose successor state in the current day has tense relations with us. But that shouldn't stop one from speaking the truth.
 
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It’s cool, all the Armenians aren’t the least bit pissed about the blatant Genocidal oversight by recorded history. Don’t believe me just ask one.
 
Greg Pence (Ind.)

Wow... I had no idea our Trump Teabagging Vice President had a brother who was a member of Congress. Greg's atrociousness on this vote makes sense now. I'm guessing he's a Jesus superfan, too. :rolleyes:
 

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