US : Assad no longer 'has to go' ??

[MicroBrew]

Hes proven himself more brutal than either
Hes still around due to shitloads of foriegn support

Not more brutal than ISIS. Assad isn't genocidal, he doesn't care about converting or killing all non Alawites. Assad just wants to stay in power, while ISIS and the Sunni Islamists want to convert, kill or drive off all non Sunnis.

If Assad was as bad as ISIS, the US would have bombed him by now since the West was trying to find some excuse to get rid of him. Instead they went after ISIS because their brutality and threat to the region was far worse than anything Assad did.

 

[Banchan]

The retrospective reasoning, in a way that Assad could had foreseen how things would had unraveled as they did.

Again, Assad is better than ISIS and Alquaeda and all the islamists that make the bulk of the rebel forces.

So who is your dog? Turkey or Israel? ill assume its Israel because of your contempt over south asians.

In 2013, Assad claimed that YOUR country/the West was supporting Al Qaeda in Syria and that we would get more than we bargained for if he was removed and these groups took over. Fast forward to 2014, ISIS is rapidly gaining ground in Syria pushing the urgency of removing Assad below that of dealing with ISIS. Did this require a miraculous level of foresight or did he just take advantage of an opportunity to let a group worse than him be the "other option" ?

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[Zankou]

I don't think it takes a conspiracy ... Assad beat the shit out of the guys who were comparatively soft targets right near the center of his regime. These are the guys we call 'moderates,' including the FSA. By comparison, he never had a good strategic reason to tackle ISIS in the Eastern hellholes that they rule.

It's not out of sinister evil genius machinations, it's because that's the only strategy that made any sense. The anti-Assad faction wants to blame Assad for not suicidally attacking ISIS out in the desert and killing it on everybody's behalf, thereby destroying his strength, and letting the un-molested 'Sunni moderate rebels' take over his country. They literally are like "ZOMG, you didn't destroy yourself in the Eastern deserts, instead you fought the 'good guy' rebels right in your midst who we were hoping would destroy you, how dare you focus on them!" When the rebels are at your door, and relatively weak, why would you fight the maniacs out in the desert? It makes no strategic sense to portray this, the only remotely sensible military strategy for the regime, as if it were some fiendish Machiavellian deviousness. See where the blue areas are? Any guesses why Assad might go after them first?

 

[Banchan]

Assad should have an interest in seeing both sides smoked, but yet both Assad and ISIS have been focusing all their fire power against the moderates. Assad has been predicting that a dangerous group like Al-Qaeda would rise to power if the Americans kept meddling in Syrian matters and well, it seems he predicted correctly, no thanks to him smoking the other groups out of the way first.

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[Fronk]

^good summation.

The regime is fighting ISIS where they need to. In Homs(oil fields) and in Deir Ezzor(to keep ISIS from Palmyra). For the regime to stay alive it needs to keep its supply lines open from the coastal regions to Aleppo and Damascus. That is vital and as of now the goverment doesn't have the capability to do much else. Most areas are pretty much a stalemate slugfest with very little gain for either side.

 

[Rod1]

Hes proven himself more brutal than either
Hes still around due to shitloads of foriegn support

Assad has strong support among the Syrian population, unlike the jihadists.

 

[Fronk]

Assad should have an interest in seeing both sides smoked, but yet both Assad and ISIS have been focusing all their fire power against the moderates. Assad has been predicting that a dangerous group like Al-Qaeda would rise to power if the Americans kept meddling in Syrian matters and well, it seems he predicted correctly, no thanks to him smoking the other groups out of the way first.

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You are truly speaking out of ignorance here. Tell me specifically where this firepower has been concentrated and against which factions. The goverment is currently losing ground in the south where the groups that has been trained by the US in Jordan are concentrated. Want to know why? The area is strategically insignificant.

 

[MicroBrew]

Assad should have an interest in seeing both sides smoked, but yet both Assad and ISIS have been focusing all their fire power against the moderates. Assad has been predicting that a dangerous group like Al-Qaeda would rise to power if the Americans kept meddling in Syrian matters and well, it seems he predicted correctly, no thanks to him smoking the other groups out of the way first.

The Alawites are concentrated along the coast, so they fight those enemies who are closest to them. ISIS is in mostly towards the East and adjacent to Iraq. Why would the Alawites not defend their immediate vicinity first .

 

[Rod1]

Assad should have an interest in seeing both sides smoked, but yet both Assad and ISIS have been focusing all their fire power against the moderates. Assad has been predicting that a dangerous group like Al-Qaeda would rise to power if the Americans kept meddling in Syrian matters and well, it seems he predicted correctly, no thanks to him smoking the other groups out of the way first.

So it wasnt IDL but our turkish resident Whougonacall who hacked your account after all.

 

[Banchan]

So it wasnt IDL but our turkish resident Whougonacall who hacked your account after all.

He has gained the most from the rise of ISIS. How do you defend his accusation that the West was backing AlQaeda in 2013 ? The rise of of such group did nothing but help him stay in power because he was indeed the best option.

 

[Rod1]

He has gained the most from the rise of ISIS. How do you defend his accusation that the West was backing AlQaeda in 2013 ? The rise of of such group did nothing but help him stay in power because he was indeed the best option.

Really? he has gained the most from the country spiralling into chaos? He stays in power because he has a strong popular support among anyone who isnt an islamist.

Also he didnt predicted anything that wasnt being predicted since the reports of islamists moving into the country surfaced. That doesnt makes it a conspiracy.

Syria is a nation under attack, and as a pluralist and secular country, when faced with islamic genocide they will rally under one leader and that leader is Assad.

 

[Rod1]

Hes proven himself more brutal than either
Hes still around due to shitloads of foriegn support

I would ally with Hitler if my country was being invaded by sunni islamists.

 

[Zankou]

He has gained the most from the rise of ISIS. How do you defend his accusation that the West was backing AlQaeda in 2013 ? The rise of of such group did nothing but help him stay in power because he was indeed the best option.

What is there to defend? He was essentially correct that the West -- if read to include their Sunni 'allies' of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar -- were backing extremist Sunni militants in Syria. Then we were assured that Jihadistan was just a short-term thing that would never last because the Sunni populace hates extremism. Then things just seemed to drag onnnnnnnnn.

Also this whole 'Assad to blame for ISIS' narrative conveniently forgets to mention that ISIS emerged primarily as a result of Iraq, and first rose to true regional power in Iraq. Can you blame Assad for not lancing into Iraq as well? Should Assad's troops have conducted the defense of Mosul?

Jihadistan (the gray area) is lost, and Assad can't possibly be blamed for that. To the contrary, if he hadn't been fighting against a coalition of Sunni Arab backed militants, he MIGHT have been able to fend off the rise of ISIS in Eastern Syria. But he could not abandon the ongoing civil war in the West to go out and fight them in the desert, which he couldn't hold anyways even if he did reconquer it.

 

[Rod1]

What is there to defend? He was essentially correct that the West -- if read to include their Sunni 'allies' of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar -- were backing extremist Sunni militants in Syria. Then we were assured that Jihadistan was just a short-term thing that would never last because the Sunni populace hates extremism. Then things just seemed to drag onnnnnnnnn.

Also this whole 'Assad to blame for ISIS' narrative conveniently forgets to mention that ISIS emerged primarily as a result of Iraq, and first rose to true regional power in Iraq. Can you blame Assad for not lancing into Iraq as well?

Assad is to blame for 9/11 and is building nukes, he also tried to make himself a fur coat made of dalmatian dogs /truestory

 

[Zankou]

By not cutting his throat and welcoming his Saudi overlords as they stepped over his bleeding-out body, Assad created ISIS. You heard it here first.

 

[Banchan]

You are truly speaking out of ignorance here. Tell me specifically where this firepower has been concentrated and against which factions. The goverment is currently losing ground in the south where the groups that has been trained by the US in Jordan are concentrated. Want to know why? The area is strategically insignificant.

Please listen to this podcast and educate me on whether they are wrong and why.
This is a podcast from CBC radio.

http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/popupaudio.html?clipIds=2498286038

 

[SolidIce]

Iran is the real winner in all this. Dodged another bullet by keeping Assad.

 

[Fronk]

Please listen to this podcast and educate me on whether they are wrong and why.
This is a podcast from CBC radio.

http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/popupaudio.html?clipIds=2498286038

From what I heard it's the same generic non-informative bullshit. Broad strokes accusations. Assad should not only govern his own forces and areas, he is supposed to balance the opposition?

 

[Kingz]

I think they learned their lesson and decided that maybe these dictators that "Need to go" are the lesser of two evils.

 

[Madmick]

You have to respect Assad's resilience. He'll gas his own people, and yet he is a cockroach the West won't squash merely because when gametime comes around he always manages to be the lesser of (at least) two evils.