Economy UPS is delivering packages with self driving Semi's

[MikeMcMann]

Way optimistic buddy. Say all cars are automated, there will be a push to get things moving as fast as possible. We'll still have the problem of having to stop a 4,000 object moving 65 mph in seconds. We'll also still have ice and rain and fautly tires and breaks. Don't forget radio communication isn't perfect. Ever get static on the radio while driving? The inter-vehicle communication systems will have the same issues.

Inclement weather sure. But that reeks havoc now on human drivers. So again the threshold is BETTER, not perfect.

Speed is not really a big issue. The thing with 'connected' vehicles is that when one vehicle starts breaking they all start breaking. There is not the lag there is compared to human drivers which causes big problems and accidents. again perfect is not the goal, just BETTER. Way better.

it will be a mix of google map proximity plotting and near field communications and other tech that keeps the cars in constant contact.

I do agree that areas with Winter or hazardous weather will be the biggest challenge. I am most referring to the vast bulk of driving which is every day good weather, normal condition driving. the biggest gains will be in that huge market.

 

[MikeMcMann]

That was the point of my first reply. They have to beat 1 death per 100 million miles driven to beat us.

They'll crush that.

 

[MikeMcMann]

so you support the rich assholes who will replace all of us(you too no matter what you say).. and they’re only a tad safer than human driver. And you’re a fan??? Are you a gay robot (nothing wrong with it).

"Support" is not a word that applies here.

I RECOGNIZE that technology is replacing workers in factories and doctors in surgeries. That is happening whether I support it or not. I do recognize it and can speak to what is happening.

It is going to cause massive havoc on our systems of employment for sure. For more wealth due to productivity gains but how do you divide that such that not only the people on the top get it while those who lost all those jobs dont get left behind? Because if you leave them all behind, the rich will have gains up front but run out customers and everyone will suffer long term.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

They'll crush that.

Self driving cars are coming and there will be plusses and minuses. But you're vastly underestimating the problem.

 

[3xdasizofmeh!]

"Support" is not a word that applies here.

I RECOGNIZE that technology is replacing workers in factories and doctors in surgeries. That is happening whether I support it or not. I do recognize it and can speak to what is happening.

It is going to cause massive havoc on our systems of employment for sure. For more wealth due to productivity gains but how do you divide that such that not only the people on the top get it while those who lost all those jobs dont get left behind? Because if you leave them all behind, the rich will have gains up front but run out customers and everyone will suffer long term.

And more people will be left homeless, possible living on the street we’re said cars are going to be.$$$$

 

[MikeMcMann]

Self driving cars are coming and there will be plusses and minuses. But you're vastly underestimating the problem.

I guess we'll see.

The technology is in its infancy and if you've seen similar technology ramp ups what you see today will be dwarfed shortly in performance and today's driving cars are already rivalling human drivers.

 

[MikeMcMann]

And more people will be left homeless, possible living on the street we’re said cars are going to be.$$$$

its going to be a massive challenge.

 

[Oliver Clothesoff]

And more people will be left homeless, possible living on the street we’re said cars are going to be.$$$$

To be fair, most of the homeless are there because they have mental problems or are are addicts who need treatment. A good portion of the rest who are able bodied would probably do more to help themselves if zoning laws were enforced and they were not being given taxpayer funded subsidies and resources that make it easier for them to be homeless rather than getting a job like the rest of us.

 

[djacobox372]

If jobs are what we're worried about, we shouldn't be attacking the automation that will save thousands of lives, why not keep the self driving cars and make some other technology illegal that would create more and better jobs than a truck-driver.

Perhaps we should outlaw computer banking, that would create a ton of local jobs while also decreasing computer bank fraud.

 

[IDL]

Lol, imagine being a "driver" but not actually driving and knowing you're just there until things go smoothly enough for them to fire you.
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How do they even stay awake is another question

But yeah they are there in 'training your replacement' capacity. But hey, it's a job that pays.

 

[IDL]

We could all get ourselves run over by these rogue trucks to stop the spread of this satanic technology

 

[Anung Un Rama]

It sounds like it will be much safer before too long. No falling asleep at the wheel, no aggressive driving are two big ones. Hope they don't skimp on blind spot detection though. We'll need thorough techs checking these out at every stop. What about refueling/recharging though?

Ever have a problem with a computer? A program? An app?

I guess this thread is bound to take a turn away from reality, with lots of complaining about automation. Meh, it's inevitable, so...?

So....? So what? Just hope it doesn't affect us? Or discuss the potential ramifications of massive automation? What is unrealistic about that?
And lots of things are inevitable, which is why we tend to prepare for them, or mitigate the negative consequences to the best of our ability.
Not enough people are talking about this IRL. Why do you feel compelled to dismiss a worthy topic like this?

 

[IDL]

Ever have a problem with a computer? A program? An app?

There will undoubtedly be issues, but I think it will become sort of like aircraft crashes, where each one is treated very seriously and investigated because they are so bad for PR, leading to an extreme incentive for safety.

Statistically I am sure they will be safer than human drivers.

There are issues with automation and job loss no doubt but I don't think the argument that they might kill someone really works.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

The technology is in its infancy and if you've seen similar technology ramp ups what you see today will be dwarfed shortly in performance and today's driving cars are already rivalling human drivers.

What technology has been able to automate a system as dynamic as a highway at rush hour? This ain't your grand daddy's assembly line...

 

[7437]

What technology has been able to automate a system as dynamic as a highway at rush hour? This ain't your grand daddy's assembly line...

Given how well people handle that situation, it doesnt need to be perfect. Just better.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Given how well people handle that situation, it doesnt need to be perfect. Just better.

Here's one metric they'll have to beat: 1.25 deaths per 100 million miles driven.

 

[7437]

Here's one metric they'll have to beat: 1.25 deaths per 100 million miles driven.

Google is over 10 million miles with no serious incidents I am aware of, fatal or otherwise.
https://waymo.com/safety/

The automated cars have a couple advantages that make it basically guaranteed that it is safer. Namely that it doesnt speed, doesn't get drunk, and it doesnt get distracted. Those are the 3 biggest causes of crashes and they are just not involved anymore.

 

[IDL]

Google is over 10 million miles with no serious incidents I am aware of, fatal or otherwise.
https://waymo.com/safety/

The automated cars have a couple advantages that make it basically guaranteed that it is safer. Namely that it doesnt speed, doesn't get drunk, and it doesnt get distracted. Those are the 3 biggest causes of crashes and they are just not involved anymore.

Maybe dirty sensors is the equivalent of being a drunk driver

 

[7437]

Maybe dirty sensors is the equivalent of being a drunk driver

As long as fucking Boeing isnt making it I'm sure that will be accounted for

 

[MikeMcMann]

What technology has been able to automate a system as dynamic as a highway at rush hour? This ain't your grand daddy's assembly line...

Airplanes can fully fly themselves including take off and landing now.

I think that is a pretty dynamic system.