Unpopular opinion: I don't see Jon having any success HW

[Mavrilicious]

Against Stipe:
-too much wrestling to take him down at will, too much composure when it comes to striking, will walk forward... the best chance Jones has here is to finish what Cormier began, namely to Bisping his eyes.
35% winning chance

Against Ngannou:
-that's where Jones has good chances to win, of course he can get killed by Ngannou, especially as Ngannou will be the first he ever fought who has the same reach as him, Ngannou is also way bigger of a man than Jones, but outside of that he has nothing for Jones. 50/50

Against Derrick:
-he might Cormier his ass, might also get sent to the shadow realms if he tries to stand with Derrick. Jones got hit a lot lately, fortunately for him it was by blown up one-legged MW Santos and by Reyes, so his chin hold up, however there is no chance his chin holds up against Derrick (as would no human chin on Planet Earth). 50/50

Against Jairzinho:
Jairzinho is a good striker but not supreme either and doesn't have the type of power Derrick or Ngannou possess.
That's where Jones has the best chances IMO. 65/35 for Jones

Against Volkov:
Very tricky fight, if it stays on the feet, I see Volkov wining, he is significantly bigger and heavier than Jon (though he gives up a bit of reach), has crisp and composed striking, and a good gas tank. Naturally he could also get wrestlefucked to a decision or subbed. 55/45 for Jones


Of course, those are arbitrary numbers, it's just to give an overall idea of how I see these fights play out.

WHat do you think sherbros ?

Also unpopular opinion. Jones scared af of hw division. Wasted talent this drug addict alcoholic cheater

 

[wwkirk]

What with all this "unpopular opinion" threads lately? New trend on sherdog?

 

[Iroh]

This is a big reason I don't want Jones going straight to a title shot (and then stalling two divisions)

How would he be stalling LHW? He's not the champ anymore there.

 

[Zolid]

It's normal for heavier guys to look slower...
It always bothers me when everyone says that HWs have poor technique, are slow etc.
You can't be as agile, as fast, and as endurant when you weigh 260 pounds compared to when you weigh 150...
If you go by that, all your "technical" "fast" "agile" 160 pound fighters would get killed in an openweight bout (I mean literally) by those guys, so stop comparing what can't be compared.
Do you even know why there are weightclasses in combat sports?
Because, unlike in sports like basketball or long distance running where you can show up as a 5.3 guy or as a 320 pounder without having to fear for your physical integrity (you will just not get selected in basketball or lose the race in running), if a 140 pound guy shows up against a 280 pound guy, chances are high the 140 pound guy never gets to see his family again, and the promotion would get in trouble for that.
That's a reason why there are weightclasses (and also because it allows for more fights and different types of fights).
So put a lil respect on those guy's names, because in the end of the day, they are the ones who are the baddest men on the planet.

well how many other weightclasses are there random fotball players in the top 10 after 2 years of mma-training. it is a shitty division and have allways been.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Stall 2 divisions? As of next Saturday there will have been 2 LHW title fights since Jon dropped the belt last year lol

edit: Boof, I was thinking of Izzy vs Jan. touche.

That being said, even more poignantly why should a non-champ go straight-to-title shot? Let him maul a few loser HWs if he's so great. Seems like (shocker) a cash-grab.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

How would he be stalling LHW? He's not the champ anymore there.

Yeah, whoops, I was thinking about Izzy vs Jan.

Still, let him fight his way up. Makes even more sense since he vacated. Non-champs shouldn't just get a title shot either, one would think.

 

[JohnnyDragon]

You will change your mind when jones beats stipe

I agree. Stipe is looking really worn out at this stage of his career. He will look really slow and awkward against Jones.

 

[GoatArtemLobov]

well how many other weightclasses are there random fotball players in the top 10 after 2 years of mma-training. it is a shitty division and have allways been.

You don't get what I mean.
Fighting is one of the sports where the issue of the bout is the most determined by size. There is literally as much chances for a 280 pound guy to win in a 10 k race against a 130 pound guy as there is for the 130 pound guy to win against the 280 pound guy in a fight, that's to say almost nothing.
(Of course, it's still possible, if the 280 pound guy is a rugby player who runs all the time, he can win against a 130 pound neck nerd that never engaged in any athletic activity in his life, as can a 130 pound trained martial artist beat an obese 280 pound couch potatoe.)
Therefore, being naturally a big guy is the biggest gift you could dream of if you want to fight. Having an Ngannou or Joshua type of frame on you is like being born 6'8 if you want to play basketball. Therefore, being born with a Demetrious Johnson or Cejudo type of frame is the worst thing possible if you want to be a fighter.
If there wasn't any weight classes, you wouldn't see any fighters who weigh below 200 pounds, and most would weigh around 230-260.
Combat sports are the only sports who allow guys who are normally ungifted in the biggest dertermining factor for fighting (small guys) to still compete. That's very cool, as they bring other entertaining qualities to the game (like speed, freakish endurance etc.) but in the end of the day, watching a BW bout is like watching basketball for people under 5.5, or running for people over 240... We all knwo they would get killed by the guys who are genetically gifted for fighting, that's to say the big guys.
So hearing guys trash the HW division all the time when they are the only ones (+ some LHWs and a few MWs) who would be relevant if there was no weight categories (as there is in other sports) is annoying af.

This doesn't mean that I don't like watching fights from lower weight classes. Actually, I prefer those ones, but I also understand why it's possible for them to look faster and more technical than guys who are twice their size.

 

[djacobox372]

Jones will dominate at HW.

The only reason for his lackluster performances at LHW lately is that he's bored as hell--nobody has a chance against him.

 

[USA!USA!]

And I don't believe MMA math like "Cormier is 1-1 + 48-47 loss against Stipe, won against Derrick, and Jones is 2-0 against Cormier" works here

It's not MMA math to say Jones, who dominated Cormier at LHW, could easily be better than him at HW as well. We'll just have to find out.

 

[GoatArtemLobov]

Jones will dominate at HW.

The only reason for his lackluster performances at LHW lately is that he's bored as hell--nobody has a chance against him.

Lol.
So he purposely lost 3-2 against Reyes and let onelegged MW Santos go the distance with him because he was too bored to take them out in the first ?
Poorest excusemaking attempt I've seen in a long time...

 

[Texan6533]

I think if he puts on 20-30 lbs of muscle he’ll do just fine. He already has the body of a HW (much like a MW overeem) but needed to fill it out. I don’t see him losing a whole lot of speed and he will probably gain more power.

He also has footwork and movement that very few guys have at HW which will be brand new to them. Basically what Travis Browne was trying to be but failed.

 

[Russie]

It's not that unpopular of an opinion. Others have said similar about him at HW even before he committed to moving up. He'll be challenged in way unlike he has been accustomed. I'm not going to say he will not have success because he possibly could. He will though experience his first legit loss in the HW division.

 

[electricfuneral]

Jones' takedowns seem to have deteriorated.

If Jon can get back to his insane grappling, I think he can be the king at HW. If Jones is broken down and that is why he keeps having prolonged kick boxing matches, then I think he will have lots of issues.

Jones is still one of the more diverse strikers at HW but lacks one shot power and will be one of the few HWs that don't have KO power in his hands.

 

[Bad Karate]

Jon has ridiculously high fight IQ and heart to match it. Add in his physical gifts and he is a problem for ANYBODY on planet earth.

I give Jon a %90 chance vs Stipe, % 95 vs Francis and he beats everybody else %99 of the time.

People's hatred for Jon is justified but does nothing to diminish his greatness in the cage.

 

[Fedor Emelianenko]

Against Stipe:
-too much wrestling to take him down at will, too much composure when it comes to striking, will walk forward... the best chance Jones has here is to finish what Cormier began, namely to Bisping his eyes.
35% winning chance

Against Ngannou:
-that's where Jones has good chances to win, of course he can get killed by Ngannou, especially as Ngannou will be the first he ever fought who has the same reach as him, Ngannou is also way bigger of a man than Jones, but outside of that he has nothing for Jones. 50/50

Against Derrick:
-he might Cormier his ass, might also get sent to the shadow realms if he tries to stand with Derrick. Jones got hit a lot lately, fortunately for him it was by blown up one-legged MW Santos and by Reyes, so his chin hold up, however there is no chance his chin holds up against Derrick (as would no human chin on Planet Earth). 50/50

Against Jairzinho:
Jairzinho is a good striker but not supreme either and doesn't have the type of power Derrick or Ngannou possess.
That's where Jones has the best chances IMO. 65/35 for Jones

Against Volkov:
Very tricky fight, if it stays on the feet, I see Volkov wining, he is significantly bigger and heavier than Jon (though he gives up a bit of reach), has crisp and composed striking, and a good gas tank. Naturally he could also get wrestlefucked to a decision or subbed. 55/45 for Jones


Of course, those are arbitrary numbers, it's just to give an overall idea of how I see these fights play out.

WHat do you think sherbros ?

Pretty good breakdown, i think he Wrecks Stipe, Stipe is probably his easiest matchup. Jones is a much better overall striker

 

[ninjion]

OP: I don't see Jones having success at HW!
Also OP: Favors Jones against 2 of the top 5 HWs, has him at even odds against another 2, and only has him as the underdog against the champion

 

[Fergelmince]

If anything Jon is in his prime right now he's 33. Also... a prime Cain would've smashed Jon's face in until the ref stepped in to save Jon's life.

 

[Through The Looking Glass]

Jones cuts a ton of weight to make lhw.

Weight cuts suck and are unhealthy.

If he was good at hw he would have fought hw. He was either bluffing to get Israel to move up or hes too big to keep cutting and has no choice

 

[Fergelmince]

Lol.
So he purposely lost 3-2 against Reyes and let onelegged MW Santos go the distance with him because he was too bored to take them out in the first ?
Poorest excusemaking attempt I've seen in a long time...

Pretty much. No reason to train for those losers. Cocaine and hookers never sleep.