Crime United Healthcare CEO assassinated in NYC

[DoctorTaco]

I bet it would slash that down half instantly if it wasnt insured

the deal with with insurance is that you're billed absolutely top dollar compared to cash patients. if the hospital knows that you're paying from your pockets, they wont charge nearly as much, I've paid multiple ER visits out in cash and the costs were a difference of 1:5-1:10, the ratios are more than you expect.

Half is still more than most Americans make in a year. But regardless, and to speak to your bigger point- for profit hospitalsb charging twice as much to an insurance company feels problematic.

 

[nostradumbass]

Do you think fhe CEO of a company and doctors have the same responsibility in setting prices and determining eligibility?

You are allowed to be pissed at more than one group of people.

No, they don't have anywhere near the same responsibility in setting prices. That is almost entirely on the doctors/hospitals who feel comfortable charging whatever the fuck they want and racking up the bill because the bill is getting sent to a 3rd party who isn't even there and have to then argue with why they were sent a bill for $16,000 for getting a cut stitched.

It's the same with literally everything. College tuition skyrocketed as soon as it turned into loans and tax dollars and colleges found out there is no ceiling for loading up on bloated administrative staff.

Imagine being born with something like asthma. You can't personal responsibility out of it. Its a pre existing condition and dealing with Dr's is unavoidable and if I don't have my meds I can die , and every once in a while I gotta hit the er. What do you think insurance was like for me pre Obama care ? What do you think it's like now? It's not like I want to have to use healthcare more than you do

Do me and all the others like me deserve to be fucked for life for something totally out of our control ? It's like a disability tax that folks like me can't opt out of.

I'm glad you're healthy and have the luxury of seeing those like me as a burden that blows up your premiums.i would love to be so privileged.

The system from the meds to the hospitals to the doctors to the insurance providers are fucking evil and exploitive and people get their lives ruined by medical issues. It sure as shit doesn't feel like freedom to have that system hold a gun to your head

Single payer is the fix and middle men insurance companies are the biggest part of the problem.

Single payer the dumbest possible "fix". You can't very well complain about insurance negotiating down , then advocate for a system that has many multiples more deaths from care rationing and wait times. It's 17,000/year in Canada, plus an additional 13,500 who are told to kill themselves to save money, and that is with a population of only 40M. UK is has even higher numbers than that who die because of care rationing and wait times.

Asthma is not a major expense. I did have asthma as a kid, which was pre obamacare, and it's a couple hundred bucks/month for an emergency inhaler, a 60 dose advair disk, and doctor's visit every couple months to puff into the little machine with a sailboat on the screen to test your lung fuction and renew your prescriptions. Why should some chick who finds a lump on her tit have to wait 12 months to get it biopsied because you don't like dealing with insurance? The US already does have higher 5 year cancer survival rates than Canada and all of Europe because you don't have to wait months to get a diagnosis.

Diabetes is a bit more expensive, but the same thing applies. If it was just the genetic type I, it's not common enough for that to be a major expense in a group coverage, but like 95% of people with diabetes have type 2, so now it's a huge number and major expense.

"Preexisting condidtion" can mean something you were born with, which should be covered and is covered at a slightly higher rate because of course you use more, but they somehow took that and started lumping in people who don't have a condition they were born with, but just decided to keep their money when they didn't need insurance and then try to sign up once they need it, which is not what insurance is.

And again, we already do have 40% of the country on public healthcare, and it fucking sucks and nobody who doesn't have to be on it wants to be on it. Everybody who advocates for public everything seems to always leave out that we already do have public versions of almost everything and they're not good.

 

[Sinister]

Right, but the point isn't "everyone is a bad person", the point is "you don't get to murder bad people" lol, which you obviously agree with.

This is exactly how we get dumbshits shooting up abortion clinics. Not everyone is going to share the same nuance in what is acceptable enough to be murdered without trial.

So, it shouldn't matter if he worked in the public sector, private sector, or whatever. Like what are we even talking about?

Joe Gunprinter doesn't get to be the judge, jury and literal executioner, regardless of whether or not elites often escape accountability.

I'm not saying I disagree with your overall point, I'm saying you cited a bad example in your expression of that point, as well as opened with a bad premise. The argument against vigilantism makes itself when you appeal to the general notion that we shouldnt be executing each other in the streets. Starting out with a "how would you like it if..." kind of argument splinters people and leaves room for questioning of the premise. Because the fact is some forms of political violence and civil uprising ARE justifiable, and every time societies are on the verge of that, an appeal to law and order is made. Typically by people who want to preserve the status quo.

 

[lifelessheap]

Why are hospitals so expensive? One main reason is Illegal Aliens. Hospitals can NOT deny them care. Illegals do NOT have to pay bills. Hospitals have to eat the cost and pass it on to legal citizens. Over 100 hospitals closed in California over debt from illegals care.

Things are only worse since Biden asked illegals to surge the border

 

[Sinister]

Why are hospitals so expensive? One main reason is Illegal Aliens. Hospitals can NOT deny them care. Illegals do NOT have to pay bills. Hospitals have to eat the cost and pass it on to legal citizens. Over 100 hospitals closed in California over debt from illegals care.

Things are only worse since Biden asked illegals to surge the border

People worse off in life than you are NOT your problem.

 

[nostradumbass]

Bill for a broken arm that required surgery. Fairly common injury for kids. 7k annually isn’t getting a sniff at the 95k oop expenses here

Uh, that makes the opposite point you've been making ITT. Looks like the insurance company really saved your ass there, so what exactly is the complaint? You pay in like $1200 for the year in insurance, your employer pays another few grand, and you take out $85,000 in benefits, and are somehow pissed at the people who paid the $85,000 from the $1200 you put in? What in the fuck is going on here?

 

[DoctorTaco]

No, they don't have anywhere near the same responsibility in setting prices. That is almost entirely on the doctors/hospitals who feel comfortable charging whatever the fuck they want and racking up the bill because the bill is getting sent to a 3rd party who isn't even there and have to then argue with why they were sent a bill for $16,000 for getting a cut stitched.

It's the same with literally everything. College tuition skyrocketed as soon as it turned into loans and tax dollars and colleges found out there is no ceiling for loading up on bloated administrative staff.

I agree on both accounts. However, the insurance companies are not off the hook for their role in denying care, (using an AI bot, no less) and telling 1 out of every 3 claims to suck it up and pay themselves bc even though a doctor deemed something medically necessary, they disagree. For their sky high premiums and total lack of affordability in general. The average American pays 456/month for piss poor care. I hear what you are saying in regards to insurance only being needed for catastrophic events, but it seems far cheaper and safer to focus on early detection and preventative care. Catching problems before they become catastrophic whenever possible.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Uh, that makes the opposite point you've been making ITT. Looks like the insurance company really saved your ass there, so what exactly is the complaint? You pay in like $1200 for the year in insurance, your employer pays another few grand, and you take out $85,000 in benefits, and are somehow pissed at the people who paid the $85,000 from the $1200 you put in? What in the fuck is going on here?

Christ, you get worked up easily.

I feel like I addressed my problems with this and the other post about it. Hospitals charging $95,000 for a common childhood injury is insane.

 

[Andy Capp]

Was briefly in the SSI space and this isn’t uncommon. Most cases, you usually have to expect denial at application, and then initial court before anything and that usually can be 18-24 months. Plenty of clients I saw were on their death bed by the time they were approved. Then you get people who can’t work but they need to go to this/ that specialty doctor for an evaluation or scan but they don’t have any money to pay for it so they end up getting denied. The system is a mess. Add onto that the local courts can be far more favorable or unfavorable just due to the judge.

"Most cases, you usually have to expect denial at application..."

What in the actual fuck? Do you happen to know what their excuse is for that?

 

[deadshot138]

Christ, you get worked up easily.

I feel like I addressed my problems with this and the other post about it. Hospitals charging $95,000 for a common childhood injury is insane.

Hospitals and health care in general are the real villains here.

 

[deadshot138]

"Most cases, you usually have to expect denial at application..."

What in the actual fuck? Do you happen to know what their excuse is for that?

Having known people on SSI both who needed it and who scammed, a number of people will claim they have a debilitating injury that keeps them from working. It's a process to prove everything and even if someone is denied, they begin getting paid from the date they're deemed disabled. Some get checks for $20k or more in back pay. Justifiably so, since they probably incurred hardship waiting for those payments to begin.

 

[Soggust]

I'm not saying I disagree with your overall point, I'm saying you cited a bad example in your expression of that point, as well as opened with a bad premise. The argument against vigilantism makes itself when you appeal to the general notion that we shouldnt be executing each other in the streets. Starting out with a "how would you like it if..." kind of argument splinters people and leaves room for questioning of the premise. Because the fact is some forms of political violence and civil uprising ARE justifiable, and every time societies are on the verge of that, an appeal to law and order is made. Typically by people who want to preserve the status quo.

Respectfully, it sounds like you are changing what I said to fit your interpretation.

I made a joke about how you can't murder shitty people. That's it, my man.


You then followed by arguing that, well sometimes it's okay, if they are really shitty.

That's the bad premise, imo.

Which form of justifiable political violence or civil uprising do you think this situation is akin to?

 

[nostradumbass]

I agree on both accounts. However, the insurance companies are not off the hook for their role in denying care, (using an AI bot, no less) and telling 1 out of every 3 claims to suck it up and pay themselves bc even though a doctor deemed something medically necessary, they disagree. For their sky high premiums and total lack of affordability in general. The average American pays 456/month for piss poor care. I hear what you are saying in regards to insurance only being needed for catastrophic events, but it seems far cheaper and safer to focus on early detection and preventative care. Catching problems before they become catastrophic whenever possible.

Why is that "no less"? You're like the 10th person to complain about "AI". It's just a matter of fact that doctors and hospitals order unnecessary tests to increase the charges, so the AI just analyzes what the normal or recommended amount of care vs the stuff that seems to be excess to rack up the bill. If they just automatically approved everything, every single visit would be 1,000 tests and labs.
People on here are acting like it's chemotherapy being rejected, when the denials are mostly extra labs and duration of shit.

 

[chardog]

Half is still more than most Americans make in a year. But regardless, and to speak to your bigger point- for profit hospitalsb charging twice as much to an insurance company feels problematic.

they have to charge more because of the denials, like I said, it's a bs system, and the insurers are absolutely the culprit and need to be eradicated or consolidated.

 

[jefferz]

Why is that "no less"? You're like the 10th person to complain about "AI". It's just a matter of fact that doctors and hospitals order unnecessary tests to increase the charges, so the AI just analyzes what the normal or recommended amount of care vs the stuff that seems to be excess to rack up the bill. If they just automatically approved everything, every single visit would be 1,000 tests and labs.
People on here are acting like it's chemotherapy being rejected, when the denials are mostly extra labs and duration of shit.

Hmm. Do I trust the doctor that thinks I need these tests, or an AI?
I thought you were a die hard Republican.

 

[Blayt7hh]

He clearly didn’t read the manifesto or really anything about this incident. Just parroting fox news and extreme right wing twitter posts. Sad people are so uninformed.

It’s the system doing what it does. They know that all of us should rightfully sympathetic to the cause so now they’re working overtime trying to turn it into a partisan issue and throw all this other dirt at it.

 

[nostradumbass]

Hmm. Do I trust the doctor that thinks I need these tests, or an AI?
I thought you were a die hard Republican.

That's because you think anybody who criticizes any democrat is a "diehard republican".

If you think the baseline cost to put a cast on someone's arm is $95,000 and that is not upcharging anything, then you are clearly a diehard democrat.

 

[JBJisGOAT14]

It’s the system doing what it does. They know that all of us should rightfully sympathetic to the cause so now they’re working overtime trying to turn it into a partisan issue and throw all this other dirt at it.

Clappjng seals came fast, see above lol. Choking over fox news and Laura Loomer tweets. They just have to protect their rich and elite like good puppets.

 

[Andy Capp]

I'm curious what the stance on the people supporting this CEO's murder is on the 300,000 fentanyl deaths that occurred as a direct result of the Biden/Harris open border policies? Is it only bad when CEO's/Corporations policies lead to extra deaths? Or do they believe that Biden/Harris should be targeted for their policies that lead to excess death?

Would you like to show me who in this thread is "supporting this CEO's murder"? And in what way?

 

[Lead]

"Most cases, you usually have to expect denial at application..."

What in the actual fuck? Do you happen to know what their excuse is for that?

Usually not enough support I would think.

Google says: “often occur due to reasons like not meeting income and asset limits, not having a qualifying medical condition severe enough to prevent work, missing necessary medical documentation, or not providing sufficient information about your work history and current employment status”

Would’ve guess application rate is upwards of 90% dental but one source says 71%
“The overall national approval rate for SSI/SSDI (without SOAR) is only 29%. So yes, that means 71% of people are denied.”

Don’t get me wrong, there are bad applications so I wouldn’t say a flipped rate is necessarly great either without more data on why it’s happening. The other thing I alluded to, is the lopsidedness of courts is crazy too. Severely physically disabled in WV? Likely to be denied. Less visible problem like Fibromyalgia or behavior issues in a city? More likely for approval. It really shouldn’t be regional based but that becomes apart of it.

I’m not expert though. Just have been shocked with the little I’ve seen of that system.