Unionizing UFC

They don't give a shit about the fighters they just want to hurt the Fertittas as much as possible because of Station Casinos being the largest non union casino chain.

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However the UFC could be smart about this and start their own "player's union". I mean they keep wanting to be like other major sports.
 
I hope so to see Dana's reaction. I'm not a fan of Union's, it's more of a stick it to Dana mentality for me.

Dana will still be a multi-multi-millionaire & I would give 5-1 odds that Zuffa will be out of UFC by the time anything like that takes effect.
They are making moves that IMO look like they are trying to sell to a Fox or someone & that is a brilliant move.
They will make major bank & no longer have the hassles!
Then you can expect a very sanitized version of MMA & we will long for the Zuffa days lol
 
No. Membership was much higher but they were reasonable and less powerful then. Recent laws have given them much more power.

I have been in unions. All they cared about were keeping bad workers on the job and expanding membership rolls to get them more dues paying members.

They didn't give a crap about member pay or rights. I got disenfranchised pretty quickly and became a fair share member which is a big scam in and of itself.

My wife quit her job to take care of her dying mother and got a stipend from the state because it was cheaper for the state than paying a full time healthcare worker. They made her join a union (without telling her) and started charging her dues. She complained and they said it was to make sure she had fair working conditions (in her mothers house) she sued along with thousands of others and years later won. The union told the court that it would be a hardship to pay the money back. The court agreed and told them they could keep all of the money they took.

I believe what you are saying happened to you is true. There are definitely problems with unions and bad unions. You are right obviously protecting bad workers is one of the biggest problems. I don't think expanding membership is a problem.

As someone said earlier, unions and businesses can both be powerful and can both be bad. I have stories of my parents who were very good workers in the postal union all their lives where they were saved by unions. My dad was racially discriminated against badly by the supervisor who tried to get him fired. If it wasn't for the union, he would have lost his job. He won his case easily with the help of the union lawyers. My mom won boatloads of awards for her superior performance. As a result, her supervisor gave her more and more work because she just did the work. One day she had enough and complained to the union who fought for her to have a fair workload. Again, she would have had little to no recourse if it weren't for the union.

The reality is that business have way more power than any individual worker. You can look at the UFC as an obvious example. Can unions be bad and abuse their power, of course, but without them, business are guaranteed to abuse their workers and they have little recourse, again, as you have seen with the UFC.
 
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They don't give a shit about the fighters they just want to hurt the Fertittas as much as possible because of Station Casinos being the largest non union casino chain.

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No. Membership was much higher but they were reasonable and less powerful then. Recent laws have given them much more power.

I have been in unions. All they cared about were keeping bad workers on the job and expanding membership rolls to get them more dues paying members.

They didn't give a crap about member pay or rights. I got disenfranchised pretty quickly and became a fair share member which is a big scam in and of itself.

My wife quit her job to take care of her dying mother and got a stipend from the state because it was cheaper for the state than paying a full time healthcare worker. They made her join a union (without telling her) and started charging her dues. She complained and they said it was to make sure she had fair working conditions (in her mothers house) she sued along with thousands of others and years later won. The union told the court that it would be a hardship to pay the money back. The court agreed and told them they could keep all of the money they took.

Interesting , what year was this and what city state also what union , since there was a lawsuit I'll check on that case for interest

Thanks
 
Dana will still be a multi-multi-millionaire & I would give 5-1 odds that Zuffa will be out of UFC by the time anything like that takes effect.
They are making moves that IMO look like they are trying to sell to a Fox or someone & that is a brilliant move.
They will make major bank & no longer have the hassles!
Then you can expect a very sanitized version of MMA & we will long for the Zuffa days lol

I agree with you. There has been rumors that the UFC is trying to sell and getting out for a couple Billion dollars would be smart of them. MMA has peaked and Zuffa knows it.
 
I would venture that things are not too different from back then. We just have social media blasting things like CEO pay and company profits all over facebook. So much of this shaming of big business has a lot to do with winning votes come election time. I think that is one reason it is being blasted all over social media.

That is really hard to imagine that things are not too different now with the connected global workforce than it was 20 or 40 years ago. Could they really outsource good paying computer programming, system admin jobs to India 20 or 40 years ago? Saying that the internet is not a game changer for the labor force is pretty hard to believe.

Don't look at, or get caught up with social media, look at the pure numbers. The media is always going to sensationalize stuff. Do your research on CEO pay now compared to before, research what the richest 5% own today instead of 40 years ago. Look at the pure numbers and forget what the liberal or conservative media is trying to make you think.
 
I agree with you. There has been rumors that the UFC is trying to sell and getting out for a couple Billion dollars would be smart of them. MMA has peaked and Zuffa knows it.

With this year, they might be peaking again TBH

I just don't think that Zuffa could do anything more than they have in the big picture & why not sell & enjoy the insane money.
 
Why do YOU hope so? What difference does it make to you what the fighter gets paid?

Unions are for people with small minds.

You enjoy the benefits that unions fought for in the early 20th century and then ignorantly shit on them.

Unions are there to check the power of management and represent workers. Read some history books before you spout your nonsense.

Some have become corrupt bureaucratic wastes but that doesn't take away from the good that most unions do.
 
That is really hard to imagine that things are not too different now with the connected global workforce than it was 20 or 40 years ago. Could they really outsource good paying computer programming, system admin jobs to India 20 or 40 years ago? Saying that the internet is not a game changer for the labor force is pretty hard to believe.

Don't look at, or get caught up with social media, look at the pure numbers. The media is always going to sensationalize stuff. Do your research on CEO pay now compared to before, research what the richest 5% own today instead of 40 years ago. Look at the pure numbers and forget what the liberal or conservative media is trying to make you think.

Of course they didn't outsource computer jobs to India back then because they didn't have a computer market to outsource. Outsourcing is nothing new.

The rich getting richer is nothing new. Corporations with a history of making money will of course be making more money because that is the way the real world goes. Granted they do not make a bad business decision.

If I invest my money into starting a company(business one) that is successful and I become a billionaire overnight. I take my profits from business one and invest and make a return on that money. I rinse and repeat this and over the period of 40 years I keep making money. The rich get richer but typically that usually means they have to work for it. Business one has now funded this man the ability to buy out business 2,3,4,5 and so on. So of course he makes more money.

I apologize if this is drawn out poorly I am multi tasking and this is on my phone.
 
Of course they didn't outsource computer jobs to India back then because they didn't have a computer market to outsource. Outsourcing is nothing new.

The rich getting richer is nothing new. Corporations with a history of making money will of course be making more money because that is the way the real world goes. Granted they do not make a bad business decision.

If I invest my money into starting a company(business one) that is successful and I become a billionaire overnight. I take my profits from business one and invest and make a return on that money. I rinse and repeat this and over the period of 40 years I keep making money. The rich get richer but typically that usually means they have to work for it. Business one has now funded this man the ability to buy out business 2,3,4,5 and so on. So of course he makes more money.

I apologize if this is drawn out poorly I am multi tasking and this is on my phone.

I would argue that the extent of outsourcing is far greater now than before and thus you see the distribution of income going more and more to the top and away from the middle class. Computer industry is just one example. There are far less made in America goods than before. There were always made in Japan or Taiwan goods for decades, but the number of goods made in the US is less than before. So manufacturing goes, now the higher tech jobs - customer service, IT and others keep going, it changes the distribution of wealth in America in a way that hurts 80% more and more.

With your example of the business owner, that for certain has always happened for centuries. Again, the general model hasn't change, but we need to explain why are things different now than 50 years ago. The facts, which you do not argue, the top 10% in 2015 own far more wealth than the top 10% in 1975. There is something else to account for that than just the fact that the business owner makes money and moves onto the next business and make more money. That happened in 1975, why are these business owners making so much more today?

The other question that some people don't ask is why can be done about it? Instead many people just say, that's life, the rich get richer and that's the way it is. Well, it is, unless you try to do something about it and unionizing (which we know has its problems) is one way.
 
Why do YOU hope so? What difference does it make to you what the fighter gets paid?

Unions are for people with small minds.

yeah. how dare us care about the fighters we like watching getting paid fairly. who do we think we are?!??!!
 
This is stupid. If UFC fighters want collective bargaining, I sincerely hope they form their own union. I don't want gangsters like the teamsters anywhere near MMA. Didn't that shit kill pride?
 
This is stupid. If UFC fighters want collective bargaining, I sincerely hope they form their own union. I don't want gangsters like the teamsters anywhere near MMA. Didn't that shit kill pride?

Yep, these unions are not looking out for the fighters ... they just want to make Lorenzo pissed.
 
This is stupid. If UFC fighters want collective bargaining, I sincerely hope they form their own union. I don't want gangsters like the teamsters anywhere near MMA. Didn't that shit kill pride?

The Yakuza killed pride. Teamsters are even bigger gangsters.
 
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