Undeserved title shots, by division

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  1. SeattleFightFan

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    EDIT: I’ve made multiple changes in the first few hours of this thread.

    Caveats:
    • In my order of most offensive to least offensive undeserved title shots. IMO of course.
    • I excluded interim titles (e.g. Nog v Mir I), title vacancies (e.g. Penn v Stephenson), late replacements (e.g. A Silva v Cote), and TUF 4 winners (GSP v Serra & Silva v Lutter)
    • Post-TUF era.
    • If I left out a fight, I probably thought it wasn't an offensive undeserved title shot. Or I missed it.
    • I tried to be unbiased. For example, I'm a big Nick Diaz fan, but Diaz v GSP is my WW #1.
    Lesson Learned: ~25 (IMO) undeserved (of varying degrees) title shots in 15 years. So <2 a year. Not as bad as I expected.

    Final Note: If you disagree with any of these 8 lists I want to hear it, but please add your own improved list as well. Thanks.

    HW
    1. Couture v Sylvia
    2. Brock v Couture
    3. DC v Stipe I
    4. Arlovski v Eilers
    LHW
    1. Jones v Sonnen
    2. Chuck v Horn
    3. Chuck v Randy III
    4. Rua v Jones
    MW
    1. Bisping v Hendo
    2. Bisping v GSP
    WW
    1. GSP v Diaz
    2. Woodley v Till
    3. GSP v Hardy
    4. Lawler v Condit
    LW
    1. Conor v Alvarez
    2. Frankie v Henderson II
    3. Penn v Edgar II
    4. Penn v Sanchez
    FW
    1. Aldo v Frankie I
    2. Aldo v Jung
    BW
    1. Faber v Cruz
    2. TJ v Cody II
    3. TJ v Barao II
    FlyW
    1. DJ v Cariaso
    2. DJ v Borg
     
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  2. Mahkor

    Mahkor Drunkmaster Flex

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    Most of them were great fights.
     
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  4. Kung Fu Kowboy

    Kung Fu Kowboy RIP Kobe Bryant You will be Missed!!! Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Randy Couture. The Legend and HOF lost to Barnett (popped for roids) fought Ricco for HW strap and lost. Next fight was beating Chuck for interim 205 belt, after beating Tito for the belt he would then lose twice to Chuck over the next few years before retiring. Came back and fought Sylvia to once again regain the heavyweight belt... Pretty sure he has the record for title fights coming off a loss...
     
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    No one cares or asked about randy, leave your spiels to yourself
     
  6. SeattleFightFan

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    I had Randy v Sylvia in my HW list.

    At LHW:
    I left out Randy v Chuck I because it was an interim title.
    And then beating Chuck justified Randy v Tito for the actual title.
    And of course Randy v Chuck II was legit.

    But you're right about Randy v Chuck III. I'll add it. I think it's less egregious than Chuck v Horn, so I put it at #3. Thanks.
     
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    Chael V Jones after Chael had just lost to Silva.
    Yoel V Izzy after Yoel was 1-3 in his last 4 and lost twice to the guy Israel finished.
    Aldo V Cejudo if rumours are to be believed with Aldo coming off 2 losses.
    Holm V Nunes. Holm got gifted it purely based on her being the only former champion she hadn't beaten.
    Ken Shamrock V Tito. Ken was 37, riddled with wrestling injuries and 1-2 in his last 3 and 3-3 in his last 6.
     
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    Edgar vs Bendo
    Edgar vs Penn
    both needed rematches due to the controversial nature of the first fights.
     
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  9. DagOban**

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    If anyone is deserving of an immediate title fight in a weightclass above, it would be a goat of the division. So I think you are wrong.
     
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    Edgar v Holloway could go into the featherweight category.
     
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    Fuck me. Adding it. Thanks.
     
  12. SeattleFightFan

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    Well, Nick Diaz did beat Gomi, but calling him a LW GOAT to justify his GSP fight is a bit much, don't you think?

    (yes i'm fucking with you)
     
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    Sherk vs Florian for a vacant, reinstated belt tho
     
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    Was chael a potential late replacement for Hendo ? And then they just scrapped the card and scheduled Chael Jones anyways
     
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    Jones sonnen its on the top 3 for sure
     
  16. SeattleFightFan

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    Ah. Good catch.
     
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    Overeem getting a Strikeforce title shot after getting KTFO in one round just a few weeks earlier is pretty laughable--almost as laughable as who he had to fight.
     
  18. Choco

    Choco I can quit any day..

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    What? You've said that it had to be post-TUF. Ken vs Tito was in fucking 2002.

    Pre-TUF is a WHOLE new can of worms.
     
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  19. SeattleFightFan

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    HA! Sho Nuff.
     
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    Wasnt Jones a replacement for Rashad against Rua?
     
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