Unconscious Biases

[Jake the Muss]

^ here is all you need to know on the subject from someone who knows the SCIENCE behind it.

Although I appreciate Jordan's insight, since he does make a few useful points when considering the ethical side of training people's perceptions, however, I can't help but look at people like him and Ben Shapiro as being better critics then they are as contributors.

For example, couldn't a person argue that any type of training that alters the perceptions of their employees is a cause for concern? Why does he so vehemently draw the line at unconscious bias training in the governmental and corporate sphere? He didn't make that point clear.

He is really passionate in the video you posted, but when you really listen to what he is saying, he doesn't really say anything of importance. Unfortunately, that video makes me see his own frailty.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

My experience here in Toronto is just let kids grow up together in school and the biases will eventually melt away. As much as they can anyway. I know that for my kids they never really thought of the kids around them as "others" until the schools started pumping racial grievance SJW type rhetoric into them all the time. My daughter told me how she never felt different from the other kids until the teacher told her that she is "marginalized" and made her write and draw something to show how systemic racism has held her down. When she said she didn't feel that way and didn't know what to draw, the teacher just told her to draw something like herself pushing a boulder up a hill so that's what she did.

Everything I've read about the "unconcious/implicit bias" training programs that are out there for schools and corporations says that the training doesn't actually work, the science just isn't there. It's just another thing that government departments and corporations are gonna do to cover their asses. It puts money into the right pockets anyway, into the Diversity Industrial Complex.

As I mentioned earlier, i recently attended a seminar on this very topic.

Afterwards I asked a lot of the attendees what their thoughts were...

Most were uncomfortable, confused and in some cases a little depressed about it.

 

[Jake the Muss]

As I mentioned earlier, i recently attended a seminar on this very topic.

Afterwards I asked a lot of the attendees what their thoughts were...

Most were uncomfortable, confused and in some cases a little depressed about it.

Since we did not attend the same seminar, what are your thoughts on Jane Elliot's Blue Eye Brown Eye exercise?



This would give us context to your comments about unconscious bias training.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Since we did not attend the same seminar, what are your thoughts on Jane Elliot's Blue Eye Brown Eye exercise?



This would give us context to your comments about unconscious bias training.

Lol...they showed clips from this study .

 

[ultramanhyata]

People are people.

So you approve of Cultural Marxism?

Hey, what do cultural Marxists and zombie unicorns have in common?

Spoiler

They pose an equal level of threat to society.

 

[Islam Imamate]

People are people.

So you approve of Cultural Marxism?

A good sign that a label is complete BS is when the people its supposed to describe never actually use it to describe themselves. Seriously, name one person who claims to be a cultural Marxist.

 

[InternetHero]

With all the misallocation of resources, wouldn't it be in the best interest of society to at least try and solve it, if not minimize it?

The idea of just "dealing with it", doesn't seem to be working.

Working for who and in what respect?

I'll make this simple - shame is an awful arbiter of right and wrong by definition.

- The mob almost always works less coherently than the individual. The individual can ask questions, or ask questions of themselves. Justice and ration is more likely.

- The mob of shame is, or becomes, a host of many angry emotional voices looking for "something to be done." Justice is not the end game.

 

[InternetHero]

Whether you're Pontius Pilate or Wang Mang, you will find "the crowd" is an instrument of oppression and conformity, not of liberation or equality.

 

[Bamboozled]

Although I appreciate Jordan's insight, since he does make a few useful points when considering the ethical side of training people's perceptions, however, I can't help but look at people like him and Ben Shapiro as being better critics then they are as contributors.

For example, couldn't a person argue that any type of training that alters the perceptions of their employees is a cause for concern? Why does he so vehemently draw the line at unconscious bias training in the governmental and corporate sphere? He didn't make that point clear.

He is really passionate in the video you posted, but when you really listen to what he is saying, he doesn't really say anything of importance. Unfortunately, that video makes me see his own frailty.

Because you're not addressing the issue you're controlling the individual.

The tests that are being used aren't reliable and everyone is taking them getting bullshit results and coming from a position of bias in cultural marxism.

 

[IDL]

My experience here in Toronto is just let kids grow up together in school and the biases will eventually melt away. As much as they can anyway. I know that for my kids they never really thought of the kids around them as "others" until the schools started pumping racial grievance SJW type rhetoric into them all the time. My daughter told me how she never felt different from the other kids until the teacher told her that she is "marginalized" and made her write and draw something to show how systemic racism has held her down. When she said she didn't feel that way and didn't know what to draw, the teacher just told her to draw something like herself pushing a boulder up a hill so that's what she did.

Everything I've read about the "unconcious/implicit bias" training programs that are out there for schools and corporations says that the training doesn't actually work, the science just isn't there. It's just another thing that government departments and corporations are gonna do to cover their asses. It puts money into the right pockets anyway, into the Diversity Industrial Complex.

The problem is if you let kids grow up together naturally then they won't naturally become indoctrinated into the proper ideology. Getting along is not the name of the game. dividing along racial lines, gender lines, and sexual identity lines and pushing the oppressor oppressed narrative is the game. It is a requirement for the manufactured neo-cultural revolution they are foisting on the populous with pre-determined outcomes. Such revolutions don't work unless people are sufficiently indoctrinated.

 

[IDL]

I'm curious, does this "unconscious bias" affect only white people? Usually, this sorta thing is trotted out to condemn white men who would dare to deny that they're racist...So to convince them, you tell them they really are racist, but they're just not aware of it...

As for your question, I would argue that such "biases" are fundamental to the human condition. Black, white, brown, etc.. will almost always assume things about other races and cultures. The best we can do is to try and teach our kids to respect one another and judge all men by the content of their character.

Making people attend "diversity" meetings and such will only further the divide, IMHO.

Because it's a port of the old Marxist revolutions along class lines, but seeing as agitating for class struggle is a non starter in a wealthy first world nation it is instead being done largely through race (as well as gender and sexual identity). White people, and white males in particular are swapped in as the new bourgeois that everyone needs to struggle against as the oppressor class. Wheras in the previous iteration used in Russia and China it was land owners or capital owners who were the oppressors.

Same game just tweaked for a different environment. Once you know the origins of this stuff it's almost embarrassingly obvious.

 

[Quipling]

A good sign that a label is complete BS is when the people its supposed to describe never actually use it to describe themselves. Seriously, name one person who claims to be a cultural Marxist.

I'm culturally Marxist. I don't practice the politics or believe in the economic theory but I wear red clothes and eat borscht on December 28 because it makes my grandmother happy.

 

[TONY-T]

What do you think is going on right now?

When you watch those kids in the video, don't they seem like they are going to grow up to be ignorant approval-seeking smug assholes?

We need less people like that in the world.

I don't see how brainwashing kids at a young age is the answer. How do you even measure an unconscious bias?

 

[Deleted member 196663]

The big problem with unconscious bias is that people use it to accuse rather than for introspection.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I'm culturally Marxist. I don't practice the politics or believe in the economic theory but I wear red clothes and eat borscht on December 28 because it makes my grandmother happy.

Comrade grandmas are the best grandmas.

 

[lfd0311]

A good sign that a label is complete BS is when the people its supposed to describe never actually use it to describe themselves. Seriously, name one person who claims to be a cultural Marxist.

Where did I claim it's a label that can be attached to someone? Cultural Marxism is way of thinking that is amazingly prevalent in our society.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Where did I claim it's a label that can be attached to someone? Cultural Marxism is way of thinking that is amazingly prevalent in our society.

If there is Cultural Marxism there are presumably Cultural Marxists. Otherwise, who are the purveyors and theorists of this so called Cultural Marxism?

Seems to me that what people refer to when they talk about "C-Cultural Marxism!" is really just intersectionality. Why not just use the term that the actual peddlers of these ideas use instead of a propaganda term?

 

[panamaican]

Don't you think that exposing high school aged students to something like this could be beneficial? Of course it'd have to be designed with them in mind.

I think it would be beneficial but since schools are government run, I can see justifiable backlash to it. Some people might like being racist and be upset if the government run school is trying to change their children on that front.

 

[lfd0311]

If there is Cultural Marxism there are presumably Cultural Marxists. Otherwise, who are the purveyors and theorists of this so called Cultural Marxism?

Seems to me that what people refer to when they talk about "C-Cultural Marxism!" is really just intersectionality. Why not just use the term that the actual peddlers of these ideas use instead of a propaganda term?

Cultural Marxism is taught in schools and universities across the country. People may not realize they're doing it, but when Socialism is seen in a Capitalistic society as the best possible system, and literally EVERYTHING functions on the Victim/Oppressor heirarchy, Cultural Marxism is in full swing within a society.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Cultural Marxism is taught in schools and universities across the country. People may not realize they're doing it, but when Socialism is seen in a Capitalistic society as the best possible system, and literally EVERYTHING functions on the Victim/Oppressor heirarchy, Cultural Marxism is in full swing within a society.

That really doesn't clear anything up for me. Who is teaching Cultural Marxism? Why are they doing so if they don't even identify as Cultural Marxists? What texts espouse the theories of Cultural Marxism? And again, isn't what you're talking about really just intersectionality?