Ukraine far right got destroyed in the election

"I assumed you're Ukrainian. I'm guessing you do speak Russian"

So you assume my nationality and my ability to speak certain languages?

Let's take a step back before you commit to another leap of imagination and accuse me of being a Communist or something of that sorts.

You asked me the question- "Can I speak Russian?" , to which I replied that it is my guess that you do.

I admit that I did assume you're Ukrainian, based on your passionate interest in the course of Ukraine's recent events.

I apologize for assuming that, but such a mistake does not affect my objective assessment of Ukraine's current situation.



So your 'many analysts' line simply means that you read and watch RT? How original.

I read and watch RT- which employs journalists and analysts (many journalists are analysts by the demands of their labor).

I think it is wise to be exposed to multiple news sources of opposing views so that one could better make personal judgments, but that's just my opinion.

It is not my mission to judge you if you're satisfied with the objective and completely credible reporting of Ukrainian Channel One :)icon_lol:).

A junta comprises of 'a group of military officers ruling a country after seizing power'. Who are the military officers within the Ukrainian government?

That is not the definition I referenced and although the entry you unethically associated with my main contention is not completely incompatible with my assessment of the interim Ukrainian government's nature, I shall ignore it to avoid further misrepresentations of my posts (although it seems like this is unavoidable when dealing with you).

This really is getting too much. Can you speak Russian? You're doing nothing more than presenting your wild guesses as some kind of informed insight.

Russian is my first language and I simply address my views and opinions as what they are; views and opinions.

This contrasts your style of expressing views, theories, and opinions as facts rather than contentious accounts.
 
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It doesn't help that Muslim clerics in the UK act like total douchebags and cry "shariah for everyone" all the time. The guy who killed Lee Rigby was a numerous rallies for Choudery, a Muslim radical. It polarized the right wingers. It also made the "on the fence" people start siding with them cause they realized that liberal progressives preaching "multiculturalism" haven't a clue. Multiculturalism only works when all the cultures believe in it. It's painfully obvious that vast amount of Muslims, not just the few radicals, support shariah, a anti-multicultural theocratic system of law.

I live in an area with a high Muslim population, and this doesn't ring true for me. The reason the Lee Rigby killing got so much press is that it was completely unexpected and out of the ordinary. Are you from the UK?
 
What's amazing is that so many people are so willing to suck down Russian propaganda ... who aren't even Russian. That's the striking thing; I guess the Internet is to blame. I'd get it if you were Russian, I suppose, but you've never even set foot in Russia.

It's as if somebody sitting in Poland 12 years ago was listening to George W preach the Iraq War and going "ahup, dem terrrists ... MWD ... save the freedom!"

RT played it well running with the CT crap and now they have all the truthers eating from their hand.

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-launches-air-strikes-against-gunmen-123005036.html

Airstrikes against his own people...I suppose the new President is kicking things off with a bang.

Yeah, that is something a fascist nazi junta would do in say, Dagestan or Chechnya.
 
The air-strikes are happening on an airport that is occupied by either a foreign military, heavily armed separatists or a combination of both.

Donetsk isn't Grozny (despite the recent influx of Chechnyans) and the Ukrainian government isn't carpet bombing it.

Let's get one thing clear, bud. The entire region is filled with foreign military personnel, not solely Russians. You're condemning Russian intervention, but you forget that western support has been there all along beginning in the Maidan and the U.S. has a long history of creating destabilization in various places in the world throughout this century. But it's cool, believe what you want, Russia will not return the Crimea and the southeast is in danger of secession. It is irrefutable. If those citizens did not support Russia, there would be A LOT more opposition to join Russia in that region. The people are the ones deciding their fate, stop making it seem as if they are being forced by Russia.
 
You believe it is right to annex part of a foreign country? That constitutes 'right' for you?

(As an aside, you are factually incorrect - shots were fired and there were casualties in the invasion of Crimea).

If the people of that region want to separate, yes, I believe it's right. Governments, after all, are ONLY legitimate if they support the will of their people and defend their rights. The people in the southeast, just like in Crimea, want secession and they will get it if that is the case.
 
Let's get one thing clear, bud. The entire region is filled with foreign military personnel, not solely Russians. You're condemning Russian intervention, but you forget that western support has been there all along beginning in the Maidan and the U.S. has a long history of creating destabilization in various places in the world throughout this century. But it's cool, believe what you want, Russia will not return the Crimea and the southeast is in danger of secession. It is irrefutable. If those citizens did not support Russia, there would be A LOT more opposition to join Russia in that region. The people are the ones deciding their fate, stop making it seem as if they are being forced by Russia.

It seems like the collective will of East Ukraine isn't even being accounted for in Kiev's long-term decision making.

The recent election took place without the tally of important Ukrainian districts.

How is this remotely acceptable?

Imagine if the US presidential electoral committee decided to ignore the votes of California or NY.
 
If the people of that region want to separate, yes, I believe it's right. Governments, after all, are ONLY legitimate if they support the will of their people and defend their rights. The people in the southeast, just like in Crimea, want secession and they will get it if that is the case.
In the end, results revealed that joining Russia didn't even have a majority of Crimean support.

Meanwhile, now that media isn't vocused on Crimea, the situation has become vioent, with most of the Tartars fleeing their homeland in Crimea to avoid another genocide by the Russians. And yet scumbags such as yourself have been parroting RT lines about Ukraine going Nazi, when anyone with a brain knows that the real danger from violent nationalism comes from Russia. The Ukraine elections have shown that Ukraine isn't being run by Nazis. The flight of the Tartars tells you all you need know about who the nazis are.
 
It seems like the collective will of East Ukraine isn't even being accounted for in Kiev's long-term decision making.

The recent election took place without the tally of important Ukrainian districts.

How is this remotely acceptable?

Imagine if the US presidential electoral committee decided to ignore the votes of California or NY.

Both sides are doing the exact same things yet people say it's unfair what Russia is doing lol...a lot of people on this site just want Russia to bow down and humbly accept more western influence that is dangerously close to their border. Fuck that. Russia has the right to do what it is doing and it's protecting it's interests and the interests of its people dispersed around the Ukraine. If the same thing were happening in America, the same people singing that anti-russian tune would be supporting the same actions they are denouncing.
 
In the end, results revealed that joining Russia didn't even have a majority of Crimean support.

Meanwhile, now that media isn't vocused on Crimea, the situation has become vioent, with most of the Tartars fleeing their homeland in Crimea to avoid another genocide by the Russians. And yet scumbags such as yourself have been parroting RT lines about Ukraine going Nazi, when anyone with a brain knows that the real danger from violent nationalism comes from Russia. The Ukraine elections have shown that Ukraine isn't being run by Nazis. The flight of the Tartars tells you all you need know about who the nazis are.

Oh really? What of the 90% who voted for it then huh?

Before you begin to insult me and accuse me of something, point out just ONE post where I say that Ukraine is going Nazi. You can't, can you? Of course not, because I have never said that. Please log off and leave the intelligent discussion to people who are better suited for it.
 
In the end, results revealed that joining Russia didn't even have a majority of Crimean support.

I'm familiar with such reports, and the ones I've been exposed to sum up the percentage of those in favor to join to be between 40 and 50%.

However, it should be noted that there's an important difference between the view that Ukraine and Russia must unite into a single state and the view that Crimea and Russia must unite into a single state.

My guess would be that the reports you speak of are of polls concerning the former view.

Even most Russians wouldn't want Ukraine and Russia to be united into a single state.

http://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=236&page=1

Do you see how Western news can often mislead its readers towards a distorted understanding of current events?

Meanwhile, now that media isn't vocused on Crimea, the situation has become vioent, with most of the Tartars fleeing their homeland in Crimea to avoid another genocide by the Russians. And yet scumbags such as yourself have been parroting RT lines about Ukraine going Nazi, when anyone with a brain knows that the real danger from violent nationalism comes from Russia. The Ukraine elections have shown that Ukraine isn't being run by Nazis. The flight of the Tartars tells you all you need know about who the nazis are.

You make very dramatic statements that don't accurately reflect the facts of the issue.

1. The relationship between ethnic Ukrainians and Tatars hasn't been as delightful as the most recent revisions in the Western historical narrative might lead you to imagine.

2. There are many notable Tatars in prominent positions of the Russian government.

I'd also like to mention that I am a Tatar myself.
 
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Gee, since when everyone became the specialists on the Ukrainian politics.

I was wondering that Tcom would mention me and he did.

Dude don't bring this nazi shit if you are arguing with someone else. I've told you, you know shit about situation in Ukraine. You know nothing about who I support, where I've been and what the red and black flag means. I have answered the bit on the wiki that you took out of context. If you have nothing to devote apart from spiting crap about Nazis then GTFO.

As for the rest of the guys. Thank you for your time to write comments about Ukraine but you are far from the real truth. Reading russian or western news will not take you to the real picture in Ukraine.
 
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Gee, since when everyone became the specialists on the Ukrainian politics.

I was wondering that Tcom would mention me and he did.

Dude don't bring this nazi shit if you are arguing with someone else. I've told you, you know shit about situation in Ukraine. You know nothing about who I support, where I've been and what the red and black flag means. I have answered the bit on the wiki that you took out of context. If you have nothing to devote apart from spiting crap about Nazis then GTFO.

As for the rest of the guys. Thank you for your time to write comments about Ukraine but you are far from the real truth. Reading russian or western news will not take you to the real picture in Ukraine.

How do you feel about your country's electoral results?
 
Oh really? What of the 90% who voted for it then huh?

That referendum was an obvious sham. 90% of Crimeans did not vote in favour of Russian annexation.

Even allowing for the multiple irregularities that were widely reported (e.g. people being able to vote more than once, the vote being monitored only by armed troops of an invading foreign power that staged the referendum to produce the result they wanted), the true result was in the range of 15 - 30% of Crimeans voting for Russian annexation, as inadvertently leaked by Russia's 'President's Human Rights Coucil'.
 
That referendum was an obvious sham. 90% of Crimeans did not vote in favour of Russian annexation.

Even allowing for the multiple irregularities that were widely reported (e.g. people being able to vote more than once, the vote being monitored only by armed troops of an invading foreign power that staged the referendum to produce the result they wanted), the true result was in the range of 15 - 30% of Crimeans voting for Russian annexation, as inadvertently leaked by Russia's 'President's Human Rights Coucil'.

Likely to be falsehood.

It's not the case that Russia's 'President's Human Rights Council' leaked the true results but that a Ukrainian news agency (with highly questionable credibility) reported it as such with very weak supporting evidence.

This is the news report that Western media has propagated and misrepresented as fact-
Ukrainian:
http://tsn.ua/politika/pid-chas-pse...an-hotili-priyednatisya-do-rosiyi-348108.html
Russian:
http://rus.newsru.ua/ukraine/05may2014/priznanie_print.html

I recommend that you download a translation software program so you can read it in English.

It's important to note that a 15-30% range for Russian annexation of Crimea, by Crimeans, is contrary even to Ukrainian polling results conducted in early 2014.
 
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Oh, and if you haven't found a helpful translation software program yet, the purported "leaking" is just a report of a bureaucrat "admitting" that the true poll results were in the 15-35% range.

One fucking bureaucrat, who's likely to have been bribed to publicize the fabrication.

This report is as verifiable as a vote-counter in the 2012 US presidential election claiming that the true results showed 90% of voters to support Mitt Romney.

Did you hear that?

THE AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IS A SHAM!!!

^Bad example because the statements likely to be true.
 
It's important to note that a 15-30% range for Russian annexation of Crimea, by Crimeans, is contrary even to Ukrainian polling results conducted in early 2014.

Ah, so a referendum conducted in ideal conditions (i.e. not in the middle of an armed invasion, at the behest of and under the control of the invading forces) would have been expected to produce a figure of approximately 41% in favour of Russia annexing Crimea.

At least we can agree that the results presented as official by Russia were obviously wildly false.
 
Gee, since when everyone became the specialists on the Ukrainian politics.

I was wondering that Tcom would mention me and he did.

Dude don't bring this nazi shit if you are arguing with someone else. I've told you, you know shit about situation in Ukraine. You know nothing about who I support, where I've been and what the red and black flag means. I have answered the bit on the wiki that you took out of context. If you have nothing to devote apart from spiting crap about Nazis then GTFO.

As for the rest of the guys. Thank you for your time to write comments about Ukraine but you are far from the real truth. Reading russian or western news will not take you to the real picture in Ukraine.

Then maybe they shouldn't have murdered 10's of thousands of Jews if you don't want me bringing it up.
 
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