International UK Government votes to allow abortions at 9 months

Kinda goes against the whole "clump of cells" thing, eh?
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well, a clump of cells is literally life. you have to make a decision on what you believe that life is worth. spiders are straight-up living creatures, but if they scare my girlfriend, i still kill them. and i don't feel bad about it usually.
 
probably, although it would make no sense, as the process of removal has already started.
I just wanted to know if you were also okay with killing a baby that is in the process of being born and you answered truthfully, it's the same answer I would expect from an evil rat but at least you answered.
well, since you apparently work in the field, you know tragedies like that DO happen during childbirth. and no, they don't go to jail.
I don't work in the medical field at all I wasn't talking about complications during delivery, which if it kills the child is not an abortion. I was talking about the hypothetical situation where someone decides halfway through birth to kill the baby. You already said you are okay with that.
no.

so say human life. sperm is human life by the way, as is a tumor.
So sperm is life, but fetus is not. Bacteria on the surface of Mars is life, a Fetus is not. Gotcha.

Comparing aborting a fully developed baby to cutting your grass or stepping on a spider is beyond fucked. It is an evil way to look at human life. You are a terrible person. No wonder communism appeals to you so much.
 
well, a clump of cells is literally life. you have to make a decision on what you believe that life is worth. spiders are straight-up living creatures, but if they scare my girlfriend, i still kill them. and i don't feel bad about it usually.

Well that makes sense as to understanding your sick mind. A baby in the 9 mouth is no more valid then a spider.
 
Duh duh me liberal American, it not this way in America so can’t be this way anywhere else.

The repealed the criminal statues that would charge a woman for having an abortion. To re-characterize that as "They legalized abortion up to 9-months," isn't just dishonest, it's retarded.
And I invite anyone who doubts me to just read up on their own.

And to say it yet again, I understand that as a russian poster determined to spam hateful misinformation about the west, you're goal is to turn americans against each other. But all you're doing is convincing us that the average russian male is a bitch.
 
I just wanted to know if you were also okay with killing a baby that is in the process of being born and you answered truthfully, it's the same answer I would expect from an evil rat but at least you answered.

I don't work in the medical field at all I wasn't talking about complications during delivery, which if it kills the child is not an abortion. I was talking about the hypothetical situation where someone decides halfway through birth to kill the baby. You already said you are okay with that.
yes, you're right. i allowed you to make a retarded hypothetical that would never happen and here you are pretending it's a gotcha.
So sperm is life, but fetus is not. Bacteria on the surface of Mars is life, a Fetus is not. Gotcha.
no fetuses are absolutely life. it's just not a sentient human life with agency and autonomy. its very existence belongs to another human being. it's more like an ingrown twin.
Comparing aborting a fully developed baby to cutting your grass or stepping on a spider is beyond fucked. It is an evil way to look at human life. You are a terrible person. No wonder communism appeals to you so much.
no, you're just an indecisive pussy. if you wanna debate "well is it a life?" until the day you die, feel free. you'll feel a lot better when you grow a pair of balls and make a decision on how you feel. people who are already living a life matter more than those who aren't.
 
The repealed the criminal statues that would charge a woman for having an abortion. To re-characterize that as "They legalized abortion up to 9-months," isn't just dishonest, it's retarded.
And I invite anyone who doubts me to just read up on their own.

And to say it yet again, I understand that as a russian poster determined to spam hateful misinformation about the west, you're goal is to turn americans against each other. But all you're doing is convincing us that the average russian male is a bitch.
This retard thinks abortions were illegal in the UK, and this law merely puts it on a par with the rest of Europe.

Nope. Abortions are now possible right up until birth in Britain.
 
Thing is the bill is clearly not about that. Simply because that is already existing. If for whatever reason the baby threatens the mother's life abortion is already possible. It's not even called abortion in that case, it's an emergency surgery. And almost never happen at this stage of pregnancy.

The bill is about abortion 9 months old babies that are not a threat to the mother health.

A baby can be delivered at 8 months naturally without any special care. Killing it at 9 months now it's absolute insanity. We should all agree on that.
Honestly im shocked that people dont
It doesn't legalize it. Abortion was always illegal in the UK with some exceptions until the new law. It decriminalizes the act of abortion as a whole. Doctors still follow the current guidelines and they are liable for not following the rules for their industry. Doctors are not going to grant 9 month abortions to women.

This whole thing removes abortion from being a criminal matter. Suppose say you have a worst case scenario of a woman who decides to drink draino 9 months into her pregnancy in order to abort the baby. She is obviously insane but she isn't going to be criminally liable. They might put her in a mental hospital. The new law also protects women who used an abortion pill but they misjudge how far they are along in their pregnancy. Women who also go through regular miscarriage or premature birth also don't have to endure a criminal investigation. During these investigations the police remove the existing children as a precaution. It's pretty shitty for a woman to endure an miscarriage then get accused of a crime.
This is nevertheless the biggest change to British abortion laws since the Abortion Act of 1967, which legalized abortion in England, Wales and Scotland. Initially that law allowed the procedure up to 28 weeks of pregnancy, but it was later reduced to 24 weeks.


The new law also protects women who used an abortion pill but they misjudge how far they are along in their pregnancy.


No it will protect those who lie to medical professionals to obtain abortion drugs that shouldnt be used late term.


Sentencing her last month, Mr Justice Pepperall said Foster would serve half her term in prison and the rest on licence after her release, after she admitted illegally procuring her own abortion when she was between 32 and 34 weeks pregnant.


Clare Murphy, the chief executive of BPAS, said she was “delighted” with the decision to release Foster from prison.

“The court of appeal has today recognised that this cruel, antiquated law does not reflect the values of society today,” she said. “Now is the time to reform abortion law so that no more women are unjustly criminalised for taking desperate actions at a desperate time in their lives.”


I think abortion possible at home up to 10 weeks. By a professional after 10. And medical exemptions for after 25 weeks was far more in lime with todays values...


Than... any time no reason required and aborting for sex selection......
 
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Honestly

This is nevertheless the biggest change to British abortion laws since the Abortion Act of 1967, which legalized abortion in England, Wales and Scotland. Initially that law allowed the procedure up to 28 weeks of pregnancy, but it was later reduced to 24 weeks.
Nothing changes outside of decriminalizing abortion for women. The 22-24 weeks parameter still exists. Doctors aren't going to help women get a late term abortion unless it is medically required. The physicians can still be charged or held liable.

I don't think there is anything to really worry about in terms of mass late term abortions. If the current medical guideline changes then people should raise a fuss.
 
Nothing changes outside of decriminalizing abortion for women.
No.. it decriminalises all abortion at any time. also means sex selection is now a valid reason... welcome to the start of eugenics.

abortions within the legal time frames.. have been legal for 55 years.

And it was exceedingly exceexingly rare for a woman to be charged and convicted for a illegal abortion... 3 in 150 years...

Between 1861 and 2022, only three women in Britain were convicted of having illegal abortions, according to the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, which works to improve women's healthcare.


The 22-24 weeks parameter still exists. Doctors aren't going to help women get a late term abortion unless it is medically required. The physicians can still be charged or held liable.

which is why the change they just made.... is bad. Now it is legal. To kill their baby at any time..... yes the drs have responsibilities still. The women dont...

Its literally the case that caused a big push to changed these laws

A mother who was jailed for illegally taking abortion tablets to end her pregnancy during lockdown will be released from prison after the Court of Appeal reduced her sentence.
Carla Foster, 45, admitted illegally procuring her own abortion when she was between 32 and 34 weeks pregnant.

She procured pills by post from the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS) after providing information that led staff to believe she was seven weeks pregnant.
Although abortion is legal up to 24 weeks, after 10 weeks the procedure is carried out in a clinic.

At at least 32 weeks or around eight months' gestation, [the baby] was a fully formed human child. If her mother had been given an in-person appointment by BPAS, she would still be alive," she added.


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Prosecutors argued Foster had provided false information knowing she was over the time limit and had made online searches which they said indicated "careful planning".

The court heard between February and May 2020 she had searched "how to hide a pregnancy bump", "how to have an abortion without going to the doctor" and "how to lose a baby at six months".

Based on the information she provided the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS), she was sent the tablets because it was estimated she was seven weeks pregnant.

I don't think there is anything to really worry about in terms of mass late term abortions. If the current medical guideline changes then people should raise a fuss.
The issue is its now completely legal for the woman to circumvent medical guidelines....


No i dont think there will be a mass increase of late term abortions. But 1 or 2 is enough . I cant think of any other situation where this logic is applicable.. Well they only kill a couple. Most people wont kill their [ insert x ] so why should it be illegal ? Really odd logic to me.

And i think women like her and ms catt deserve jail.. her less than ms catt though.



Ms Catt who 36 and had two young children. She had aborted a previous pregnancy just before 24 weeks and given up a further baby for adoption.

the 3rd one she carried to full term... She obtained abortifacient drugs from an online retailer and took the drugs at full term. The body was never recovered because she hid it. Murder or abortion? One is a crime.. one is now legal.

Even 12 years ago it wasnt deemed murder.

Mr Justice Cooke, sentencing her at Leeds crown court last September, said the seriousness of the crime lay between manslaughter and murder.

He said she would have been charged with murder if the baby had been born a few days later and she had then killed him.

Catt pleaded guilty to administering a poison with intent to procure a miscarriage.

Lady Justice Rafferty, heading a panel of three judges in the court of appeal, said it was an extraordinarily difficult sentencing exercise, but the term was manifestly excessive.

Catt had waited until term before premeditatedly destroying her child, lied about it and had prevented a postmortem examination with its potential to determine the cause and timing of death.

Her persistent refusal to reveal the location of the body was originally said to be a consequence of legal advice, but was now put down to her not being "emotionally able" to address the issue.

"Mrs Catt caused the death of a foetus at term. She intended to do it. She planned what she did with some care. She ensured that when she delivered the infant, it was in private. Somewhere there is a body.

"She had known by October 2009 that she was pregnant and she had ample time to seek a lawful termination. She was not without experience in that regard."


Bottomline. Things just changed. Abortion has been literally legal in the uk for 60 years despite your repeated " nothings changed "
 
No.. it decriminalises all abortion at any time. also means sex selection is now a valid reason... welcome to the start of eugenics.

abortions within the legal time frames.. have been legal for 55 years.

And it was exceedingly exceexingly rare for a woman to be charged and convicted... 3 in 150 years...

Between 1861 and 2022, only three women in Britain were convicted of having illegal abortions, according to the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, which works to improve women's healthcare.




which is why the change they just made.... is bad. Now it is legal. To kill their baby at any time..... yes the drs have responsibilities still. The women dont...

Its literally the case that caused a big push to changed these laws

A mother who was jailed for illegally taking abortion tablets to end her pregnancy during lockdown will be released from prison after the Court of Appeal reduced her sentence.
Carla Foster, 45, admitted illegally procuring her own abortion when she was between 32 and 34 weeks pregnant.

She procured pills by post from the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS) after providing information that led staff to believe she was seven weeks pregnant.
Although abortion is legal up to 24 weeks, after 10 weeks the procedure is carried out in a clinic.

At at least 32 weeks or around eight months' gestation, [the baby] was a fully formed human child. If her mother had been given an in-person appointment by BPAS, she would still be alive," she added.


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Prosecutors argued Foster had provided false information knowing she was over the time limit and had made online searches which they said indicated "careful planning".

The court heard between February and May 2020 she had searched "how to hide a pregnancy bump", "how to have an abortion without going to the doctor" and "how to lose a baby at six months".

Based on the information she provided the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS), she was sent the tablets because it was estimated she was seven weeks pregnant.


The issue is its now completely legal for the woman to circumvent medical guidelines....


No i dont think there will be a mass increase of late term abortions. But 1 or 2 is enough . I cant think of any other situation where this logic is applicable.. Well they only kill a couple. Most people wont kill their [ insert x ] so why should it be illegal ? Really odd logic to me.

And i think women like her and ms catt deserve jail.. her less than ms catt though.



Ms Catt who 36 and had two young children. She had aborted a previous pregnancy just before 24 weeks and given up a further baby for adoption.

the 3rd one she carried to full term... She obtained abortifacient drugs from an online retailer and took the drugs at full term. The body was never recovered because she hid it. Murder or abortion? One is a crime.. one is now legal.

Even 12 years ago it wasnt deemed murder.

Mr Justice Cooke, sentencing her at Leeds crown court last September, said the seriousness of the crime lay between manslaughter and murder.

He said she would have been charged with murder if the baby had been born a few days later and she had then killed him.

Catt pleaded guilty to administering a poison with intent to procure a miscarriage.

Lady Justice Rafferty, heading a panel of three judges in the court of appeal, said it was an extraordinarily difficult sentencing exercise, but the term was manifestly excessive.

Catt had waited until term before premeditatedly destroying her child, lied about it and had prevented a postmortem examination with its potential to determine the cause and timing of death.

Her persistent refusal to reveal the location of the body was originally said to be a consequence of legal advice, but was now put down to her not being "emotionally able" to address the issue.

"Mrs Catt caused the death of a foetus at term. She intended to do it. She planned what she did with some care. She ensured that when she delivered the infant, it was in private. Somewhere there is a body.

"She had known by October 2009 that she was pregnant and she had ample time to seek a lawful termination. She was not without experience in that regard."


Bottomline. Things just changed. Abortion has been literally legal in the uk for 60 years despite your repeated " nothings changed "
I addressed a lot of this in previous posts. It decriminalizes abortion for women. It doesn't mean sex selection and eugenics will run rampant. Current medical guidelines doesn't change. I already listed the worse case scenario in other posts.

Carla Foster's case is different because she got her pills online from telemedicine. She either misjudged how far along her pregnancy is at or she willfully lied to the remote doctor.
 
Who is forcing the natives to abort ?
Watch the media campaign that follows this.

Like in America, it'll be one race which exclusively features in all media around it. Women of a certain race will be told it's 'empowering' to abort if the pregnancy gets in the way of life.
 
I addressed a lot of this in previous posts. It decriminalizes abortion for women. It doesn't mean sex selection and eugenics will run rampant. Current medical guidelines doesn't change.

Carla Foster's case is different because she got her pills online from telemedicine. She either misjudged how far along her pregnancy is at or she willfully lied to the remote doctor.
She wilfully lied.. she admits it.

abortion has been legal for woman for 50 plus years women the entire time..... have you beened conned by the selective language being used? Or is it you trying to do the con?

In an amendment to the government’s crime and policing bill, parliament voted to change the criminal laws that govern abortion in England and Wales so that women procuring a termination outside the legal framework cannot be prosecuted.

Yes the medical guidelines havent changed... because they have enabled womans choices to be exempt from the medical guidelines....

Thats a issue.


6 years ago regarding sex selection.



The UK’s fertility regulator has launched an investigation into claims that at least four British doctors are helping couples to choose the sex of their babies.

Hundreds of couples are allegedly paying up to £14,000 for a sex selection service, despite the practice being illegal under UK law for non-medical reasons.

I think youll be surprised how quickly this becomes legal. I mean anti abortionists will be just pick the sex then dont abort and try again till you hit the jackpot... sex selection is better

But for those without the funds. I can see it being utilised. Got 2 boys and the 3rd being a boy will be 80% cheaper than a girl probably a valid discussion to the parents.


The arguement about frequency is pointless.. thats not how laws are designed. Or else the whole fact that only 3 woman have ever been jailed for it in 150 years would be
 
She wilfully lied.. she admits it.

abortion has been legal for woman for 50 plus years women the entire time..... have you beened conned by the selective language being used? Or is it you trying to do the con?

In an amendment to the government’s crime and policing bill, parliament voted to change the criminal laws that govern abortion in England and Wales so that women procuring a termination outside the legal framework cannot be prosecuted.

Yes the medical guidelines havent changed... because they have enabled womans choices to be exempt from the medical guidelines....

Thats a issue.


6 years ago regarding sex selection.



The UK’s fertility regulator has launched an investigation into claims that at least four British doctors are helping couples to choose the sex of their babies.

Hundreds of couples are allegedly paying up to £14,000 for a sex selection service, despite the practice being illegal under UK law for non-medical reasons.

I think youll be surprised how quickly this becomes legal. I mean anti abortionists wipl be just pick the sex then dobt abort and try again till you hit the jackpot.

But for those without the funds. I can see it being utilised. Got 2 boys and the 3rd being a boy will be 80% cheaper than a girl probably a valid discussion to the parents.


The arguement about frequency is pointless.. thats not how laws are designed. Or else the whole fact that only 3 woman have ever been jailed for it in 150 years would be
They probably know fine well what this means, but by posting what they're posting it ensures that a handful of people open this thread and assume it's all bullshit and women can't get an abortion at 9 months.
 
They probably know fine well what this means, but by posting what they're posting it ensures that a handful of people open this thread and assume it's all bullshit and women can't get an abortion at 9 months.
Well i think a few posters definetely were unaware of how far some were willimg to take it. I highly doubt the vast majority are fine with killing a baby when literally the baby would survive if removed from the mother
 
She wilfully lied.. she admits it.

abortion has been legal for woman for 50 plus years women the entire time..... have you beened conned by the selective language being used? Or is it you trying to do the con?

In an amendment to the government’s crime and policing bill, parliament voted to change the criminal laws that govern abortion in England and Wales so that women procuring a termination outside the legal framework cannot be prosecuted.

Yes the medical guidelines havent changed... because they have enabled womans choices to be exempt from the medical guidelines....

Thats a issue.


6 years ago regarding sex selection.



The UK’s fertility regulator has launched an investigation into claims that at least four British doctors are helping couples to choose the sex of their babies.

Hundreds of couples are allegedly paying up to £14,000 for a sex selection service, despite the practice being illegal under UK law for non-medical reasons.

I think youll be surprised how quickly this becomes legal. I mean anti abortionists will be just pick the sex then dont abort and try again till you hit the jackpot... sex selection is better

But for those without the funds. I can see it being utilised. Got 2 boys and the 3rd being a boy will be 80% cheaper than a girl probably a valid discussion to the parents.


The arguement about frequency is pointless.. thats not how laws are designed. Or else the whole fact that only 3 woman have ever been jailed for it in 150 years would be

There are people in this thread that really believe women are going out in droves in get 9 month abortions. I already listed what is the worse case scenario. Are you trying to continue the con? IVF sex selection isn't comparable to late term abortion. You are working on some imaginary slippery slope premise.

You read the material. Do you really believe decriminalization of abortion means doctors will help women get late term abortions? Until the guidelines change then there shouldn't be any alarm.
 
Well i think a few posters definetely were unaware of how far some were willimg to take it. I highly doubt the vast majority are fine with killing a baby when literally the baby would survive if removed from the mother
They are so aligned to their ideologies that they'll follow whatever their side does.

There's one retard comparing a 9-month-old baby to a spider, with no condemnation from his comrades.
 
There are people in this thread that really believe women are going out in droves in get 9 month abortions. I already listed what is the worse case scenario. Are you trying to continue the con? IVF sex selection isn't comparable to late term abortion. You are working on some imaginary slippery slope premise.

You read the material. Do you really believe decriminalization of abortion means doctors will help women get late term abortions? Until the guidelines change then there shouldn't be any alarm.
Women's hormones are all over the place at 9-months. Plenty will whilst not thinking straight.
 
More white women can murder their babies now.

True.

I heard they're only making this available to white women. In fact, white women are obligated to abort their baby if they go one day past the 40-week mark.

Immigrant/Muslim women are offered money and free babysitters to keep their babies.

But that's the liberals for ya.

And then they say there's no Great Replacement!
 
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