International UK Government votes to allow abortions at 9 months

[Khaosan]

I love the fake pro-life outrage from Republican men.

 

[Koro_11]

if an infant wants to crawl over to the couch, or play with a toy, or ask for food, it can. a fetus has absolutely no choice but to sit in the womb and stay there.

Autonomous means you are not dependent of anyone, that child would crawl to the couch and eventually die of dehydration or sooner without someone constantly keeping it alive.

 

[Darkballs]

Mods need to do a better job with completely horseshit thread titles.

 

[Dobymick]

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Autonomous means you are not dependent of anyone

right. and the scope of such a term changes in different contexts. you're trying to suggest because a baby can't hunt or shop for its own food it doesn't have any autonomy. a foolish take.

 

[Croo67]

Mods need to do a better job with completely horseshit thread titles.

Duh duh me liberal American, it not this way in America so can’t be this way anywhere else.

Funny how normal Americans come into these threads and can quite easily differentiate America and the rest of the world.

 

[Lycandroid]

right. and the scope of such a term changes in different contexts. you're trying to suggest because a baby can't hunt or shop for its own food it doesn't have any autonomy. a foolish take.

speaking of foolish takes, I wanted to ask an expert on such the following questions

If a woman goes into labour and decides it sucks, would that be sufficient grounds for an abortion ?

What if the baby comes halfway out ? Can we push it back in and kill it and still not be murdering a baby ?

 

[ssBaldy]

Good.

The world is overpopulated and we don't need more unwanted future criminals. Furthermore, there are no souls involved nor consciousness.

Unwanted future criminals dont get aborted all that often for some reason

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

speaking of foolish takes, I wanted to ask an expert on such the following questions

If a woman goes into labour and decides it sucks, would that be sufficient grounds for an abortion ?

probably, although it would make no sense, as the process of removal has already started.

What if the baby comes halfway out ? Can we push it back in and kill it and still not be murdering a baby ?

well, since you apparently work in the field, you know tragedies like that DO happen during childbirth. and no, they don't go to jail.

 

[Koro_11]

right. and the scope of such a term changes in different contexts. you're trying to suggest because a baby can't hunt or shop for its own food it doesn't have any autonomy. a foolish take.

A baby inside the womb can move around too so it also has some level of autonomy by your logic.

The point is that neither the baby in the womb, nor the 2 week old in the crib, nor the 1 year old crawling on the floor, can survive without being kept alive by an adult, so your cutoff point is completely arbitrary.

Just come out and say that you don't care if babies get killed and be honest about it. This mental gymnastics about levels of autonomy is total nonsense, it's a life both inside the womb and outside, the only question is whether we should be allowed to kill babies or not.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

A baby inside the womb can move around too so it also has some level of autonomy by your logic.

The point is that neither the baby in the womb, nor the 2 week old in the crib, nor the 1 year old crawling on the floor, can survive without being kept alive by an adult, so your cutoff point is completely arbitrary.

no. no it's not. until birth, it's part of someone else's body, one who was already given life. they matter more.

Just come out and say that you don't care if babies get killed and be honest about it.

well i already said i didn't care and that's because they aren't "babies"

This mental gymnastics about levels of autonomy is total nonsense, it's a life both inside the womb and outside, the only question is whether we should be allowed to kill babies or not.

spiders are life. grass is life. i still think it's fine to mow the lawn.

 

[Koro_11]

no. no it's not. until birth, it's part of someone else's body, one who was already given life. they matter more.

well i already said i didn't care and that's because they aren't "babies"

spiders are life. grass is life. i still think it's fine to mow the lawn.

What about a young adult vs a 90 year old woman? The young adult “matters more”, so should they have the right to kill an old person?

Grass and spiders are not human life, we’re talking about human life.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

What about a young adult vs a 90 year old woman? The young adult “matters more”, so should they have the right to kill an old person?

no.

Grass and spiders are not human life, we’re talking about human life.

so say human life. sperm is human life by the way, as is a tumor.

 

[Confucamus]

no.

so say human life. sperm is human life by the way, as is a tumor.

Nobody has said sperm or tumors equal a human life. Sperm by itself does not equal a human life. Has nobody had the birds and the bees talk with you?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Nobody has said sperm or tumors equal a human life. Sperm by itself does not equal a human life. Has nobody had the birds and the bees talk with you?

sperm is quite literally living human cells that continue to live outside of the human body, once ejaculated. they die shortly thereafter but they are alive.

 

[Confucamus]

sperm is quite literally living human cells that continue to live outside of the human body, once ejaculated. they die shortly thereafter but they are alive.

All human cells are living human cells. Congrats. Sperm alone does not made a human life.

 

[Koro_11]

no.

so say human life. sperm is human life by the way, as is a tumor.

Sperm is not human life until it’s combined with the egg, so no, you’re not killing babies when you jerk off and flush it down the toilet.

A tumor has no potential of becoming a living human being, so that example is just fucken stupid.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

All human cells are living human cells. Congrats. Sperm alone does not made a human life.

living cells are literally life. if a scientist found them shot out of a a black hole, we would say there's life in space.

 

[Confucamus]

living cells are literally life.

Kinda goes against the whole "clump of cells" thing, eh?

 

[King Joffery]

May as well increase abortions to the 75th trimester. Might actually put some manners on kids if they knew they could still get aborted.