International UK firms are starting to decouple from China because of GeoPolitics.

[MeatheadMike]

We should move away from relying on any countries run by dictatorships.

 

[MeatheadMike]

Japan will likely be in the Western camp.

South Korea too

 

[Richmma80]

China will win, don't kid yourselves. Higher average IQ population with a pragmatic culture compared to the west who's obsessed with getting rid of its identity with multiculturalism and virtue signaling.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I wouldnt count on Bulgaria or Hungary but the rest yeah assuming Trump doesnt break the country up. 2024/2025


Because they hate the woke agenda and dont like the patronizing view of the radical liberalism agenda. Africans you could largelly buy off but the continent is headed for famine says the WEF so.... no point. But South America block is largelly filled with states who resent US influence. If an American far right person was elected they might shift more pro US but the Biden admin and Obama were hostile to their interests. Trump didnt care how they governed but the deep state tried to make him attack Venezuela.

Well Brazil is heavily involved in BRICS and dedollarization. Argentina is as well and joining. Venezuela is a russian ally as is Bolivia, Nicaragua, Cuba, and now it seems Chile and Peru. China has huge trade and investments in Brazil and the other countries. Russia supplies almost all fertilizer to Paraguay and key materials.

Traditionally the left in Brazil was anti-US but not as much as in Venezuela, more in rhetoric than anything. In practice they tried to be friends with everybody, following the non-aligned idea. Current right-wing president favors the US and NATO, however he isn't very friendly with Biden. However his rhetoric is anti-China. Bolsonaro's rhetoric on China crosses into almost comic racism with evil Chinese everywhere trying to poison your children with vaccines.
In practice Brazil cannot forgo neither China, Russia or the US and the EU. We buy fertilizer from Russia, we sell enormous amounts of agricultural exports to China and the EU, and we buy tech from the US. Without fertilizer there is no agriculture, without agriculture there is no money and no tech stuff from the US. Without American tech stuff there is no agriculture either as all the modern stuff is American. John Deere, New Holland, Case.
I would be utterly ruined, for one.

 

[Yehudim]

It isn’t even geopolitics for them, it’s in fear of coercion from politicians which just goes to show that genocide, IP theft, and totalitarianism aren’t enough to convince business to leave China, but being forced out without it being on their terms is enough.

 

[MicroBrew]

China will win, don't kid yourselves. Higher average IQ population with a pragmatic culture compared to the west who's obsessed with getting rid of its identity with multiculturalism and virtue signaling.

Those IQ tests in China only tested the big metropolitan areas, but let's say it was from the country as a whole; you have to ask yourself why they keep stealing Western and Japanese intellectual property? Why they are unable to make a fighter jet engine that is atleast as good as a Russian one? Why they have yet to make a lithographic machine (for semi-conductor manufacturing) that is on par with the Dutch ASML machines, which are the world standard.

Why China Struggles to Produce an Indigenous Jet Engine
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/why-china-struggles-produce-indigenous-jet-engine-192935

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China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not simply the results of a small minority of elite students
https://world.time.com/2013/12/04/china-is-cheating-the-world-student-rankings-system/

However, China is uniquely not listed as a country in the rankings — unlike the U.S., Russia, Germany, Australia and other nations judged on the basis of their country-wide performances. Instead, China only shares Shanghai’s score with PISA. (Hong Kong, a Special Autonomous Region of China, sends its own data.)

Shanghainese and Hong Kong students are much better educated than those elsewhere in China. Slate quoted the Brookings Institution’s Tom Loveless as saying that “About 84 percent of Shanghai high school graduates go to college, compared to 24 percent nationally.” In addition, Loveless points out that affluent Shanghainese parents will spend large sums on extra tuition for the children — paying fees that far exceed what an average worker makes in a year.

By not providing full national data, China is in effect cheating.

As Loveless noted earlier this year, Shanghai’s test scores “will be depicted, in much of the public discussion that follows, as the results for China.” He added: “that is wrong.”

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There is something else that China will find very hard if not nearly impossible to compete in, namely entertainment. The US doesn't just lead in cutting edge tech, but is the global leader in entertainment. Hollywood and our Music industry are juggernauts with no comparable competitor. Entertainment industry brings America not just financial benefit but tremendous soft-power and influence.

English is the global Lingua-Franca ; I don't see the world switching over to Mandarin anytime soon, and especially not the Chinese logographic script. Mandarin is supposed to be one the hardest languages to master.

 

[Bald1]

Japan will likely be in the Western camp.

As will mexico

 

[Richmma80]

Those IQ tests in China only tested the big metropolitan areas, but let's say it was from the country as a whole; you have to ask yourself why they keep stealing Western and Japanese intellectual property? Why they are unable to make a fighter jet engine that is atleast as good as a Russian one? Why they have yet to make a lithographic machine (for semi-conductor manufacturing) that is on par with the Dutch ASML machines, which are the world standard.

Why China Struggles to Produce an Indigenous Jet Engine
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/why-china-struggles-produce-indigenous-jet-engine-192935

--

China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not simply the results of a small minority of elite students
https://world.time.com/2013/12/04/china-is-cheating-the-world-student-rankings-system/

However, China is uniquely not listed as a country in the rankings — unlike the U.S., Russia, Germany, Australia and other nations judged on the basis of their country-wide performances. Instead, China only shares Shanghai’s score with PISA. (Hong Kong, a Special Autonomous Region of China, sends its own data.)

Shanghainese and Hong Kong students are much better educated than those elsewhere in China. Slate quoted the Brookings Institution’s Tom Loveless as saying that “About 84 percent of Shanghai high school graduates go to college, compared to 24 percent nationally.” In addition, Loveless points out that affluent Shanghainese parents will spend large sums on extra tuition for the children — paying fees that far exceed what an average worker makes in a year.

By not providing full national data, China is in effect cheating.

As Loveless noted earlier this year, Shanghai’s test scores “will be depicted, in much of the public discussion that follows, as the results for China.” He added: “that is wrong.”

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There is something else that China will find very hard if not nearly impossible to compete in, namely entertainment. The US doesn't just lead in cutting edge tech, but is the global leader in entertainment. Hollywood and our Music industry are juggernauts with no comparable competitor. Entertainment industry brings America not just financial benefit but tremendous soft-power and influence.

English is the global Lingua-Franca ; I don't see the world switching over to Mandarin anytime soon, and especially not the Chinese logographic script. Mandarin is supposed to be one the hardest languages to master.

China has only gotten back on track 30 years ago. Where do you think they will be another 30 years from now?

 

[MicroBrew]

China has only gotten back on track 30 years ago. Where do you think they will be another 30 years from now?

The West won't be standing still for the next 30 years.

 

[Richmma80]

The West won't be standing still for the next 30 years.

Yeah, they'll be further down the toilet

 

[Snowblindlove]

Traditionally the left in Brazil was anti-US but not as much as in Venezuela, more in rhetoric than anything. In practice they tried to be friends with everybody, following the non-aligned idea. Current right-wing president favors the US and NATO, however he isn't very friendly with Biden. However his rhetoric is anti-China. Bolsonaro's rhetoric on China crosses into almost comic racism with evil Chinese everywhere trying to poison your children with vaccines.
In practice Brazil cannot forgo neither China, Russia or the US and the EU. We buy fertilizer from Russia, we sell enormous amounts of agricultural exports to China and the EU, and we buy tech from the US. Without fertilizer there is no agriculture, without agriculture there is no money and no tech stuff from the US. Without American tech stuff there is no agriculture either as all the modern stuff is American. John Deere, New Holland, Case.
I would be utterly ruined, for one.

Who do you think russia china prefer to win elections Lula or Bolsonaro?

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Who do you think russia china prefer to win elections Lula or Bolsonaro?

China I guess Lula. Russia I think it's irrelevant, both have been friendly to them.

 

[Goonerview]

The West won't be standing still for the next 30 years.

The west have been getting progressively weaker since the 1990s, thanks to your woke ideology and identity politics.

30 years from now, the west will probably be weaker, if anything.

 

[deadon]

Well Z isn't, he has asked for a meeting with China to help them rebuild. You can't make this up. We send them money and then this happens. Glad to see other pull away.

 

[ElKarlo]

Every reasonable state should join the effort. Fuck CCP.

This. Instead many western nations are tripping over themselves to cash in. Same with most corporations

 

[ElKarlo]

The west have been getting progressively weaker since the 1990s, thanks to your woke ideology and identity politics.

30 years from now, the west will probably be weaker, if anything.

True. Can’t imagine how messed up the current generation will be. I’m 40 and was at the edge of when kids were expected to be tough. Now kids are being praised for being disabled. These kids as adults will be like the Elloi from the time machine. Essentially cattle

 

[SanchoMF]

This. Instead many western nations are tripping over themselves to cash in. Same with most corporations

Yes. It’s funny, the western “leaders” are extremely fast to do political grandstanding and blowing hot air over climate change and emission control, but you’d need 1/10th of the effort to start pulling brakes on China with effective results and plan for alternative sourcing/R&D.
The chip shortage even woke the notoriously stupid EU up, there’s some action (hopefully not too late) and the rest of the currently outsourced supply chain are a million times cheaper and easier to re-establish elsewhere than China.

 

[ElKarlo]

Yes. It’s funny, the western “leaders” are extremely fast to do political grandstanding and blowing hot air over climate change and emission control, but you’d need 1/10th of the effort to start pulling brakes on China with effective results and plan for alternative sourcing/R&D.
The chip shortage even woke the notoriously stupid EU up, there’s some action (hopefully not too late) and the rest of the currently outsourced supply chain are a million times cheaper and easier to re-establish elsewhere than China.

Yeah it really shouldn’t have taken it rubbed in our faces for us to realize how being dependent on them isn’t a good thing. The chips act was good and all but just some small incentives and not allowing china to dump products would have long ago encouraged domestic companies

 

[Otto!]

Japan and South Korea will not align with China.

 

[MicroBrew]

Well Z isn't, he has asked for a meeting with China to help them rebuild. You can't make this up. We send them money and then this happens. Glad to see other pull away.

So we give them money and they turn around and give the money to China.