ugh.... not so good.

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it was my first day at this MT kickboxing academy around here. the first day the trainer wanted to throw me into a sparring session against someone else to get a feel of my skill level.

w/o going into too much detail... we were in a clinch and i threw a knee...and it actually mananged to crack the guys rib..

about 12 people jumped up in my face and confronted me as if i did it on purpose. the rest of the day was shit.

somehow i feel like i shouldnt go back there.
 
why'd u throw a knee hard enough to crack someones rib while sparring? ... on your first day..?
 
next time do a curved knee and "fake" it. That way if it hits, it's not so hard.

And. . .get kneepads.

And tell him to not get the fuck in those situations. Regardless of whether it's your fault, he needs to train as he fights, which means getting out of the clinch.
 
It wasn't really a wise move by your trainer, throwing you in to spar on the first day. But then again, I wasn't there, and you probably did throw a hard knee if it cracked his rib.
 
they threw me in the first day too-- and I train at a great school.

most people don't really think to knee. It's surprisingly non-intuitive it seems. Same with kicking.
 
most people dont really think to knee in muay thai?? That's all we did in teh clinch..
 
Today is going to be my first day of MT, how hard should you go during a sparring session like that? I imagine it takes some time just to get used to the tempo/power of sparring as it's easier to go all out or completely half ass it.
 
Sh*t happens. It was your first day and the trainer made the misstake of putting you in there right away. You screwed up and hurt a guy. If I had a nickle for everytime I saw a guy get hurt sparring...I'd probubly be able play the nickle slots at Vegas for a couple hours. If the rest of the guys in the gym got all hot and bothered and came up to you with their chests puffed up, they are stupid. Its one thing to be concernecd and tell the guy he needs to chill out when sparring, its another to act like you are gonna kick their ass for an innocent misstake. And in the gym every injury is caused by a misstake until proven otherwise. Keep going and if they still have their panties in a bunch go somewhere else. No dissrespect to anyone who trains there, but from what you described I'm not impressed with the gym. You mentioned the name, I'll have to look it up and see if I've ever been there. Good luck and happy training bro.
 
RJ43 said:
Today is going to be my first day of MT, how hard should you go during a sparring session like that? I imagine it takes some time just to get used to the tempo/power of sparring as it's easier to go all out or completely half ass it.
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As a rule in all the gyms I've trained at we go full speed, but just pull our shots. That is to say instead of driving threw and aiming 6 inches behind your target, you simply pull the punch/kick back before right before contact and let it hit them and bounce back. You can still get your bell rung, but not KO'd unless you screw up WHICH ALWAYS HAPPENS!!! People get hurt sparring, its part of the game. "pulling" your shots is harder to do for kicks, the first couple of times you do it expect to fall on your ass, especially for head kicks. It'll take practice. We never throw elbows in sparring sessions. Too dangerous. Knees, they are OK, but I mostly just throw them but come up short so they never actually make contact. That way he knows I could have hit him so he better defend. The point isn't to hurt/kockdown or KO the guy. Leave your pride outside of the ring/cage. Its to work on things. In actuality I'm happier when I get hit more then I hit the other guy. Because I learn more that way. If I'm just blasting some new guy I'm not learning sh*t! Offense is worked by pads/bag and other means. Sparring is more for defense and applying your offense to an intelligent, moving target that is trying to hit you back...which can downright fluster you if you don't have enough experience. And don't get all butt-hurt if you get worked in a sparring session. I always think of it this way, its better to get tagged in sparring when its your friend doing the tagging with 16ozers and pulling his shots so it doesn't happen in the cage with some tatooed animal doing the tagging with 4oz gloves and hitting you so hard you think you just banged his wife or something. Happy training and good luck bro!
 
don't worry about it. people at my gym get injured all the time. i got my rib cracked a few months ago. If anything just focus more on your technique and less on power. also, it's pretty stupid of them to just front you instead of actually teaching you. we just laugh at each other when we get hurt. it's a part of training and a right of passage in a way. haha. good luck!
 
I thumb-jabbed a guy in the eye as he shot in. Gave him a good shiner, and I've been doing this for a year and a half.

he'll heal, and he'll defend better next time.
 
Its your trainer's fault really for throwing you in there. If your a noob you barely know the technique so have little chance of throwing one at 50% what a tool your trainer is. I'd go back there every1 should understand it's your first day and you didn't know what you were doing!
 
they let you spa on your first day? did they at least teach you a few moves or how to pull back your strikes?
 
im not a complete newb to striking, and i really didnt feel like i was throwing the knee that hard. it was more like, i figured since the guy was advanced and me instinctively throwing a knee wouldnt really have that big of an effect... sort of like throwing a rock at ronnie coleman.. you sorta think it'll just bounce off.

haha, but seriously.. it was a little intimidatnig when everyone confronted me as if i meant to hurt their friend.. well i guess ill see how next practice goes, just hope there isnt a vendetta against me.
 
At my gym you cannot spar unless you are no longer a beginer, most people don't get to spar at all until they've been at the gym for a few months if not longer
 
No need to break ribs to learn. You should have been well instructed before sparring that you're not in there to kill eachother and etc.

You think when Wanderlei and Shogun spar they're throwing rib-cracking knees? It's not neededm you just throw it quick but light enough to make a *bop* so your partner knows it would have been a hit so they respect the knee and try to defend.

It takes time to understand it all. There's a line between throwing so light that I'll ignore the shots or sparring so stiff that someone will get banged up but it's not a thin line, IMO.
 
blanko said:
most people dont really think to knee in muay thai?? That's all we did in teh clinch..
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Umm... yeah... me too. Isn't that the purpose of the clinch?
 
RJ43 said:
Today is going to be my first day of MT, how hard should you go during a sparring session like that? I imagine it takes some time just to get used to the tempo/power of sparring as it's easier to go all out or completely half ass it.
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You ask your trainer, "Do you want me to go 100%?" or whatever (if they don't already tell you), then you repeat it to your partner, "Okay, I'm going 100%." Just an example. Simple communitcation. If you are working on a particular skill, the trainer will say so.
 
threnody said:
im not a complete newb to striking, and i really didnt feel like i was throwing the knee that hard. it was more like, i figured since the guy was advanced and me instinctively throwing a knee wouldnt really have that big of an effect... sort of like throwing a rock at ronnie coleman.. you sorta think it'll just bounce off.

haha, but seriously.. it was a little intimidatnig when everyone confronted me as if i meant to hurt their friend.. well i guess ill see how next practice goes, just hope there isnt a vendetta against me.
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Are you sure you even cracked his rib? Because my guess is he was expecting to whoop the noob's butt (meaning you) and got all pansie when he felt a hard knee he wasn't prepared for. I mean... it's not like you had X-Rays done on the spot.

If they thought you were going too hard, then they should have told you to slow down, or go 10% or something before this happened. Unless you just went right in there and threw a knee in the first few seconds.

I also don't like the idea of throwing people into sparring on their first day. It's so ridiculous. Whether the noob has experience or not. Sometimes a noob with a year or more of training at another gym has no idea what they are doing. Not to mention it takes a little while for a noob to get firmiliar and comfortable in a new gym with a bunch of new people. Even some of the people where there before you don't know what they are doing because they don't listen to their trainers... etc. etc. I could on and on about why I don't like it. What's the damn rush anyways? You want people to join, learn, and stay. Not probe them so you can dissect them their first day! grrrrrrr....

Anways, I hope things work out for you. I'de keep looking around. I know I did a fair amount of research before I found my gym. There's nothing wrong with checking out a bunch of them.
 
The way we spar is before we start out we let it be known if we're going "hard" or not. Going hard consist of throwing hard shots, but if we stun someone, we let off and let them recover. We're still controlled, though. We're not going out there throwing haymakers or anything.
 
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