UFC/Pride Heavyweight Champions with least-to-most Top 10 ranked wins at Heavyweight.

Did you use the historical pound-for-pound rankings for this?
 
Stipe clearly has the best resume. All of his top10 wins are also top5 wins.
 
GOATtalks said:
Stipe clearly has the best resume. All of his top10 wins are also top5 wins.
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If you take fighter age and wear and tear into account most of those guys were past their best by several years.
 
acannxr said:
The Lightweight version is here.
The Welterweight version is here.
The Middleweight version is here.
The Light Heavyweight version is here.

Rankings are based on FightMatrix.

Bas Rutten
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Rutten has 0 top ten wins (90% of his fights took place at Openweight).

Ricco Rodriguez
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Rodriguez' resume:

#3 Randy Couture

Rodriguez has 1 top ten win.

Maurice Smith
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Smith's resume:

#4 Mark Coleman

Smith has 1 top ten win.

Mark Coleman
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Coleman's resume:

#3 Dan Severn
#10 Akira Shoji

Coleman has 2 top ten wins.

Kevin Randleman
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Randleman's resume:

#8 Pedro Rizzo
#5 Mirko Filipovic

Randleman has 2 top ten wins.

Tim Sylvia
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Sylvia's resume:

#4 Ricco Rodriguez
#7 Andrei Arlovski
#10 Andrei Arlovski

Sylvia has 3 top ten wins.

Frank Mir
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Mir's resume:

#4 Tim Sylvia
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
#8 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
#7 Antonio Silva

Mir has 4 top ten wins.

Brock Lesnar
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Lesnar's resume:

#9 Heath Herring
#3 Randy Couture
#3 Frank Mir
#5 Shane Carwin

Lesnar has 4 top ten wins.

Daniel Cormier
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Cormier's resume:

#6 Antonio Silva
#8 Josh Barnett
#7 Frank Mir
#1 Stipe Miocic
#5 Derrick Lewis

Cormier has 5 top ten wins.

Fabricio Werdum
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Werdum's resume:

#4 Gabriel Gonzaga
#1 Fedor Emelianenko
#10 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
#5 Travis Browne
#5 Mark Hunt
#8 Travis Browne

Werdum has 6 top ten wins.

Andrei Arlovski
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Arlovski's resume:

#7 Vladimir Matyushenko
#7 Tim Sylvia
#9 Fabricio Werdum
#4 Antonio Silva
#4 Travis Browne
#9 Frank Mir

Arlovski has 6 top ten wins.

Randy Couture
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Couture's resume:

#6 Maurice Smith
#5 Kevin Randleman
#8 Tsuyoshi Kohsaka
#5 Pedro Rizzo
#10 Pedro Rizzo
#5 Tim Sylvia
#3 Gabriel Gonzaga

Couture has 7 top ten wins.

Cain Velasquez
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Velasquez' resume:

#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
#1 Brock Lesnar
#9 Antonio Silva
#1 Junior dos Santos
#3 Antonio Silva
#2 Junior dos Santos
#8 Travis Browne

Velasquez has 7 top ten wins.

Stipe Miocic
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Miocic's resume:

#5 Mark Hunt
#3 Andrei Arlovski
#1 Fabricio Werdum
#3 Alistair Overeem
#5 Junior dos Santos
#2 Francis Ngannou
#1 Daniel Cormier
#2 Daniel Cormier

Miocic has 8 top ten wins.

Josh Barnett
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Barnett's resume:

#2 Semmy Schilt
#2 Randy Couture
#10 Semmy Schilt
#6 Kazuhiro Nakamura
#2 Mark Hunt
#3 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
#7 Frank Mir
#7 Andrei Arlovski

Barnett has 8 top ten wins.

Junior dos Santos
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Santos' resume:

#4 Fabricio Werdum
#9 Mirko Filipovic
#6 Shane Carwin
#1 Cain Velasquez
#4 Frank Mir
#9 Mark Hunt
#6 Ben Rothwell
#4 Derrick Lewis

dos Santos has 8 top ten wins.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
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Nogueira's resume:

#5 Valentijn Overeem
#5 Gary Goodridge
#3 Mark Coleman
#6 Ricco Rodriguez
#5 Mirko Filipovic
#3 Josh Barnett
#9 Tim Sylvia
#5 Randy Couture
#10 Brendan Schaub

Nogueira has 9 top ten wins.

Fedor Emelianenko
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Emelianenko's resume:

#6 Semmy Schilt
#10 Heath Herring
#1 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
#9 Gary Goodridge
#9 Mark Coleman
#2 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
#4 Mirko Filipovic
#4 Mark Coleman
#7 Mark Hunt
#8 Tim Sylvia
#6 Andrei Arlovski
#8 Brett Rogers

Emelianenko has 12 top ten wins.
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I'm not sure how you got different numbers. I think we used the same method but I have a few fighters with different numbers. Werdum has 7 top 10 wins, Overeem was ranked 6th when he lost to Werdum.

https://www.fightmatrix.com/histori...ated-historical-rankings/?Issue=66&Division=1

Fedor has 13 top 10 wins, you forgot Babalu Sobral who was ranked 7th.

https://www.fightmatrix.com/histori...ated-historical-rankings/?Issue=47&Division=1
 
Ngannou should be added to this list.

#7 Arlovski
#2 Overeem
#3 Blaydes
#4 JDS
#7 Jairzinho
 
cmw43 said:
If you take fighter age and wear and tear into account most of those guys were past their best by several years.
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It’s a dumb narrative that has been dubunked a million times. No one can be good in their 30’s because all the HW Pride stars got their ass kicked at that age. And it couldn’t been because of their skill sets, it must’ve been because of their age.

Well that’s not true. Look at every other division. Look at the champs in every division. Everyone is well into their 30’s and are better than they ever were before.

FLW- Figgy will be 33 in few weeks
BW- Yan is the youngest champ at 27
FW- Volkanovski is 32
LW- Khabib is 32
WW- Usman is 33
MW- Izzy is 31
LHW- Jan is 37
HW- Stipe is 38

Average age for a UFC champ is 33 years.

Even the lighter weight classes have become much older, because you need time to develop elite skills. Look at LW:

Khabib- 32
Gaethje- 32
Poirier- 31
Tony- 36
Conor- 32
Hooker- 30
Oliviera- 31
RDA- 36
Felder-36
Ferreira- 35
Iaquinta- 33

It’s only a Pride fan excuse, because they can’t cope with reality.
 
GOATtalks said:
It’s a dumb narrative that has been dubunked a million times. No one can be good in their 30’s because all the HW Pride stars got their ass kicked at that age. And it couldn’t been because of their skill sets, it must’ve been because of their age.

Well that’s not true. Look at every other division. Look at the champs in every division. Everyone is well into their 30’s and are better than they ever were before.

FLW- Figgy will be 33 in few weeks
BW- Yan is the youngest champ at 27
FW- Volkanovski is 32
LW- Khabib is 32
WW- Usman is 33
MW- Izzy is 31
LHW- Jan is 37
HW- Stipe is 38

Average age for a UFC champ is 33 years.

Even the lighter weight classes have become much older, because you need time to develop elite skills. Look at LW:

Khabib- 32
Gaethje- 32
Poirier- 31
Tony- 36
Conor- 32
Hooker- 30
Oliviera- 31
RDA- 36
Felder-36
Ferreira- 35
Iaquinta- 33

It’s only a Pride fan excuse, because they can’t cope with reality.
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The other divisions are irrelevant to what's going on at HW.


Most of the guys Stipe beat were closer to 40 and on the verge of retirement and were all much better fighters five years earlier if you're being objective.

I'll break it down for you.

  • #5 Mark Hunt - 40 years old, 70 pro fights wear and tear, coming off a KO loss into the Stipe fight at the tail end of his career.
  • #3 Andrei Arlovski - Arlovskis win streak was over a bunch of guys who very soon after retired or never won a fight again, prime Arlovski was his 2009 run not the shell Stipe faced.
  • #1 Fabricio Werdum - 40 years old and turned up out of shape and ran straight at Stipes fist, already retired once now
  • #3 Alistair Overeem - 40 years old, 20 years on the game, been KOd 15 times between K1 and MMA, more than anyone else in high level MMA, should already have retired for his own health
  • #5 Junior dos Santos - come on, JDS was shot, not been the same fighter since the Cain fights years before and he still got the best of Stipe the first time round.
  • #2 Francis Ngannou - hungry beast, great win
  • #1 Daniel Cormier - despite being the wrong side of 40 DC looked great
  • #2 Daniel Cormier - you can see why DC had already retired once and age had caught up to him.
 
cmw43 said:
#3 Alistair Overeem - 40 years old, 20 years on the game, been KOd 15 times between K1 and MMA, more than anyone else in high level MMA, should already have retired for his own health
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He was 36 and had some very good wins after that.

cmw43 said:
#5 Junior dos Santos - come on, JDS was shot, not been the same fighter since the Cain fights years before and he still got the best of Stipe the first time round.
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JDS was 33 FFS and not shot by any mean... this is a myth.
 
No Alistair Overeem??
Strikeforce HW champ.
 
spinup said:
He was 36 and had some very good wins after that.


JDS was 33 FFS and not shot by any mean... this is a myth.
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JDS was still a pretty good in the first Stipe fight but he had declined a lot since his fights with Cain. Age alone isn't a good indicator of someone's prime. JDS took a career's worth of strikes in his 2nd and 3rd fight with Cain and drastically declined after those fights.
 
Rajon Rondo said:
Did you use the historical pound-for-pound rankings for this?
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I don't even discuss P4P, so I'm certainly not going to reference their "rankings".

NoBiasJustMMA said:
I'm not sure how you got different numbers. I think we used the same method but I have a few fighters with different numbers. Werdum has 7 top 10 wins, Overeem was ranked 6th when he lost to Werdum.

https://www.fightmatrix.com/histori...ated-historical-rankings/?Issue=66&Division=1

Fedor has 13 top 10 wins, you forgot Babalu Sobral who was ranked 7th.

https://www.fightmatrix.com/histori...ated-historical-rankings/?Issue=47&Division=1
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Overweem's loss to Werdum was at Openweight, not Heavyweight.
Sobral's loss to Fedor was at Openweight, not Heavyweight.

GOATtalks said:
Ngannou should be added to this list.
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Vegeta said:
No Alistair Overeem??
Strikeforce HW champ.
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See the title of the thread for why those two fighters aren't listed.

spinup said:
JDS was 33 FFS and not shot by any mean... this is a myth.
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JDS hasn't been the same ever since the Velasquez fights, it has nothing to do with his age.
 
acannxr said:
I don't even discuss P4P, so I'm certainly not going to reference their "rankings".


Overweem's loss to Werdum was at Openweight, not Heavyweight.
Sobral's loss to Fedor was at Openweight, not Heavyweight.



See the title of the thread for why those two fighters aren't listed.


JDS hasn't been the same ever since the Velasquez fights, it has nothing to do with his age.
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I still think both of those should count, Overeem and Werdum both weighed over 205 same for Sobral and Fedor. IMO open weight fights should still count if both fighters weigh in as HWs.
 
NoBiasJustMMA said:
I still think both of those should count, Overeem and Werdum both weighed over 205 same for Sobral and Fedor. IMO open weight fights should still count if both fighters weigh in as HWs.
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Good luck trying to find the weight of fighters for dozens of fights going as far back as the early 90's.
 
acannxr said:
Good luck trying to find the weight of fighters for dozens of fights going as far back as the early 90's.
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Yeah you can't do that for a lot of them but for those two I mentioned it's not hard to find.
 
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