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UFC needs PPV to get back on track

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by psyops, Dec 31, 2014.

  1. screaminleeman Red Belt

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    That would seem more like 100 than 150 to me but???

    No math to it, fact there are amazingly exactly 572 fighters on the UFC roster. That means there are 562 non champion UFC mma fighters needing three fights per year.

    562 fighters/2 = 281 fights x 3 fights per year = 843 fights for the current roster.

    OK, you beat me on the math, but when the real numbers are presented, my main point holds firm.

    WC & # UFC fighters on roster:
    HW = 34
    LHW = 36
    MW = 72
    WW = 105
    LW = 106
    FTW = 72
    BW = 63
    WBW = 29
    FLW = 37
    WSW = 18

    Total = 572!

    We can't hope for much over ONE contest between top 15 fighters within a division with the need to find 80% of the UFC roster that is unranked fight slots in the Octagon throughout the year!

    Hopefully a simple math conceptual error does not allow the basic premise to be dismissed so easily.
     
  2. psyops Banned Banned

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    So to those saying the ppv model is dead the numbers don't really back that up.

    Average ppv buys

    2010 598k
    2011 397k
    2012 463k
    2013 421k
    2014 256k

    It was really just this year that tanked. Loss of gsp ppv king doesn't help either
     
  3. Jermei Steel Belt Platinum Member

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    PPV is dead as renting movies from Blockbuster.
     
  4. Xaa Purple Belt

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    At 54.99 (Lets' call it 55), they gross 27.50 per as the cable provider takes the other portion.

    Their 100M per year Fox deal then is like 3.6M buys. It also gives them more exposure which allows them to make deals with Reebok and strengthen their partnerships with Bud, Harley etc.

    They are clearly trying to move to a broadcast model The $100M revenue from fox opens way more doors than if they got an additional $100M in PPV revenue because more eyeballs see their sponsors..
     
  5. IngaVovchanchyn Plutonium Belt Platinum Member

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    The NFL does not have professional sports affiliate franchises.

    The absolute minimum to fulfill that standard would be 25 fights. 2 title fights plus 22 top 15 vs top 15 fights, plus one top 15 vs non top 15 fight.

    1. Seems like most top fighters fight twice in a year. Where are you getting one fight year from?

    2. Do you really think this is a policy put in place by the UFC? I think that is a dubious conclusion to draw.
     
  6. psyops Banned Banned

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    Do the cable provider take 50% of the ppv revenue or is that just a sherdog wisetail? I know they take a percentage but that seems high. That's why I.said gross revenue. Just as when they tell you the gate they don't mention what percentage the arena takes.
     
  7. HelloJapan Talking loud and saying nothing. Platinum Member

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    The model is DEAD. I don't care who they put on it, i haven't paid for a PPV in more then three years. I'am sure i ain't the only one. To many things keep going up and up in price, wherever we can get it cheaper (or free), it'll be done.

    Smarter, not harder.
     
  8. EndlessCritic Steel Belt

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    I originally did the post as top 10, but when I realized your calculation was based on top 15, I changed the post, and forgot to edit one number.
     
  9. filthynumber1 Silver Belt

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    Canada too
     
  10. straight6 Black Belt

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    Great question! 50% seems very deep. With all these cable providers on the mkt place the competition is quite high these days.
     
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  11. screaminleeman Red Belt

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    Fitzgerald Toussaint respectfully disagrees with you. http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/20...ld-toussaint-promoted-to-ravens-53-man-roster

    - While the NFL league minimum for NFL development league players is a pathetic $6,000 per week, it is still considered "professional". If $96,000 minimum per year is not considered "professional wages" I am uncertain what that says for MMA.

    1. UFC HW division (2014).
    - Cain = 0, JDS = 1, Werdum = 2, Browne = 2, Hunt = 2, Miocic = 3, Barnett = 0, Bigfoot = 1, The Reem = 2, Nelson = 1, Big Nog = 1, Mir = 1, Gonzaga = 2, Rothwell = 1, Schuab = 2, Struve = 1. (One ranked fighter Miocic hit the mark I mentioned)
     
  12. sparkyjohannsen Purple Belt

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    Well shit man, just bring these points up in the next power meeting you attend with dana and lorenzo.
     
  13. Xaa Purple Belt

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    You are talking about gross to the provider. That is who charges the $54.95.

    This article talks a bit about provider cut estimating 50-60%.

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/7/18/3167055/ufc-ppv-prices-directv-viacom-comcast

    Cable and satellite companies take 50-60% of the money from pay-per-view orders. It's ultimately one of the biggest problems in the game right now.


    Here's another talking about WWE

    http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...ble-and-satellite-drop-wwe-pay-per-views.aspx

    That shortfall was offset when traditional PPV sales for Wrestlemania XXX -- the biggest show of the year -- came in around 400,000 in North America, well ahead of the 295,000 buys the company had budgeted, according to The Wrestling Observer, the leading insider newsletter covering the pro wrestling industry. That's a short-term positive for the company -- the price of a single PPV is roughly equal to the $60 cost of a six-month subscription to the network (though the WWE only gets around a 50% share of PPV sales). But it also shows that customers might not migrate to the network as quickly as the company hoped.*

    A third here

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/208...d-could-add-millions-to-the-companys-top-line



    After the cable company and others take their share, WWE ends up with roughly a 40% cut of pay-per-view revenue. At $20 revenue per buy, the company earns annual pay-per-view revenue of around $80 million (WWE officially reported $82 million PPV revenue in 2012). A 12 month customer subscription to the WWE Network nets $120 in revenue. If WWE hits even the low end of subscription estimates that $82 million figure turns into approximately $240 million. If they hit the high end, it turns into a real home run. You can begin to understand why WWE would think that a $10 per month subscription could make up for a lost $20 PPV buy.
     
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  14. psyops Banned Banned

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    That's a bloodyelbow article with no source for the ppv claims I would like to see actual real evidence that they charge that much if possible
     
  15. Xaa Purple Belt

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    I added a few other industry articles to the post.

    I don't care too much what you'd like to see. I'd love to hear it from a cableco executive too, but the prevailing information suggests 50-60% to the provider.

    Feel free to refute it with anything you have that is more reliable. My mind is open to whatever you might have.
     
  16. Insaniteus Fantasy, Destiny, and Infinity

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    The WWE is an example of what NOT to do with PPV events. The writing made PPV results worthless aside from Wrestlemania every year. On top of that, John Cena is killing the company faster than the NYPD raiding the NAACP HQ.

    Boxing has a lack of stars and organized promotions holding it back.

    The UFC will be fine in 2015 as long as less big fights get cancelled due to injury. That's what is bringing them down the most.

    They should also likely start having all PPVs carry two title fights, since they have so many champions now. And if one cancels, then they have their backup.
     
  17. moreorless87 Straba

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    My guess would be that PPV isn't a case of providers just taking a certain percentage, theres probably some agreement where you pay a fee or they take the money from a certain number of PPV buys beyond which the event organiser gets the income or a higher percentage of it.

    If that's the case then say 10 PPV's selling 50,000 each could bring in a lot less than 5 PPV's selling 100,000 each.
     
  18. psyops Banned Banned

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    You don't care much what I want to see? What possible good reason could you have for saying that. Obviously I don't have anything to refute with as I'm the one asking for the information. I just simply stated bloodyelbow is not a real source though it appears you may be right. Try to come off as less of a jackass next time
     
  19. Xaa Purple Belt

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    I'm trying but I still can't seem to care what you want to see.

    You're the guy refuting the common usage based on a feeling. Bloody Elbow certainly has more journalistic credibility than your feelings.
     
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    The practice squad is not a development league. Each team is allowed 10 spots to keep players to supplement the 53 man roster during practice.

    It is not used as a minor league system when stars rehab injuries or where they keep key players they don't have room for in the regular season only to bring them out in the playoffs as you sometimes see in the MLB.

    You are not allowed to be on the practice squad for more than 3 seasons.

    Any NFL team can sign any member of another teams practice squad.
     

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