News UFC lawsuit docs reveal Joe Silva’s negotiation tactics with Nick Diaz, Jon Jones, Roy Nelson & plus

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  1. keeley

    keeley Sherdog Spell Checker

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    We see why Diaz isn't fighting as frequently as everyone wants.

    Sounds like his management wasn't the problem, it was Joe Silva.
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    THIS SOME SHIT RIGHT HERE

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  2. Big Tuppy Hole

    Big Tuppy Hole Gold Belt

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    You think Silva was the problem?
     
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  3. Doughie99

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    Almost everything I've ever read about Joe Silva paints him in a very bad light indeed. I recall *somewhere* reading or seeing a video about UFC own staff (cannot remember who, was years ago) calling Joe Silva some really nasty denigrating stuff. Seems nobody really liked the guy and with good reason. Glad to see the back of that dude, he was a real piece of work by many accounts.
     
  4. Dirge

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    Any fighter has a choice of whether or not to sign a contract. As I said, the onus is on the fighter to understand the contract they are signing or pay a professional to explain it to them.

    Everything the UFC does is spelled out in the contracts the fighters sign. I don't agree with how they treat fighters in the slightest but their contracts are designed specifically to not only get the most for the least (as most contracts are) but also to protect them from disgruntled fighters trying to back out or file lawsuits.

    Randy Couture had very deep pockets when he took on the UFC and he lost. Mark Hunt's lawsuit is going exactly nowhere.

    This class action suit (and that's essentially what it is) has zero leverage. Court cases are based on companies doing things not spelled out in their contracts.
    Everything the UFC does is spelled out in it's agreements. Agreements the fighters signed (Whether they understood it or not), agreements that the fighters are given copies of.

    I've seen pieces of the UFC contracts boilerplates that have been posted on the web (and here). They are very comprehensive.

    You do realize that fighters are defined as independent contractors employed by a company based in the US right? Co-Employment laws in the US are the biggest thing the UFC has to worry about, not this class action nonsense that will go exactly nowhere.

    Companies employing "Independent Contractors" can terminate their employment any time they want without cause. That's the basis of the independent contractor agreement.
     
  5. WeedLordBonerHitler

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    This the dude in @chitoortiz avatar!?!? Son of a Bitch! <Ellaria01>
     
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    TCE The Three Piece with the Soda Platinum Member

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    Suppose you didn't read the article?
     
  7. Ancient Warrior

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    I’m shocked that a company run by shady fight promoters, would take advantage of their participants in such a way.
     
  8. Lawrence

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    Fixed :)
     
  9. Local Plata

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    Goddamn, this stuff coming to light is really fascinating.
     
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  10. Sweater of AV

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    Just another reason why Fedor is the GOAT. Dana, Joe, and the rest of the jackasses can go fuck themselves.
     
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  11. Emjay

    Emjay And again and again and again and ag.. zzzzzzzz

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    If enough folks don't agree with the terms, then the terms would have to change
     
  12. Emjay

    Emjay And again and again and again and ag.. zzzzzzzz

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    The UFC isn't the only way for a person to make a living.
     
  13. Emjay

    Emjay And again and again and again and ag.. zzzzzzzz

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    That's the business they're in.

    A drug dealer's choices are essentially

    1) Sell drugs until you get killed
    2) Sell drugs until you go to jail
    3) Don't be a drug dealer
     
  14. Threetrees

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    Lmfao you're so goofy I love it.
     
  15. Hellhammer84

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    Dana is the mma version of the little league coach who picks his own kid to be on all star teams even when they suck
     
  16. Emjay

    Emjay And again and again and again and ag.. zzzzzzzz

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    Seriously though, why is there never any conversation on the lack of accountability on the part of the fighters?
     
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  18. Garnet_StrongerThanYou

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    What are they supposed to do? Crush cans in King if the Cage for the rest of their career or go fight in Japan?

    The UFC is the only way to really become famous in MMA?

    Or are you suggesting they go get a real job like Stipe or Luke Rockhold?
     
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  19. Garnet_StrongerThanYou

    Garnet_StrongerThanYou White Belt

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    Because they’re not all smart people. A lot of them are knuckleheads who are only good at striking and wrestling and Jiu Jitsu.

    Nick Diaz didn’t know HOW to buy a house or WHY he would.

    It’s like R. kelly he never bought property he just rented it and now is broke.

    They are good at fighting and the promoters often take advantage of them and bleed them until they can’t fight anymore and have brain damage.
     
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  20. vapor&dust

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    Anyone know if UFC loses this lawsuit is WME/Endeavor liable or the Fertittas?
     

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