UFC financials finally revealed

Alpha_T83 said:
The UFC is an illegal monopoly. They actively sabotage and buy out competition. And the UFC's contracts are blatantly illegal under the Ali act.

The UFC have just managed to drag out every legal case and buy out litigants when needed, so these issues haven't made it to court yet.

It's only a matter of time before the Ali act is officially applied to MMA, which will cap contract lengths at 1 year. Then you can say goodbye to champions clauses, and more free agents will mean more competition.
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There are hundreds of MMA organizations in the world so they are clearly not a monopoly.

Do you have an actual arguement that can stand up past 2 seconds of critical thinking?
 
Andreh said:
Yes. And? Do you really want to tergiversate instead of reminding that UFC / MMA needs an UNION, to pay the fighters better? Intellectual dishonest.
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Fighters need to be paid less, not more
 
Oeshon said:
There are hundreds of MMA organizations in the world so they are clearly not a monopoly.

Do you have an actual arguement that can stand up past 2 seconds of critical thinking?
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It’s not the number of corporations that determines whether there is monopoly or not, but percentage of market shares.

Why don’t you follow your own advice?
 
Oeshon said:
Fighters need to be paid less, not more
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You need to be banned. This is truly disrespectful to people who entertain us. Even Cormier that I openly hate deserves a good paycheck, I mean, all of them.

If you want some underground fights, this is not the place for you.

Union now. UFC openly hates the idea, but this needs to happen.
 
UFC is doing well, but still has nothing on the IOC or NCAA which is basically slave entertainment.
 
Andreh said:
You need to be banned. This is truly disrespectful to people who entertain us. Even Cormier that I openly hate deserves a good paycheck, I mean, all of them.

If you want some underground fights, this is not the place for you.

Union now. UFC openly hates the idea, but this needs to happen.
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Paid less = underground fighting. Great arguments.
 
tatanos said:
It’s not the number of corporations that determines whether there is monopoly or not, but percentage of market shares.

Why don’t you follow your own advice?
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monopoly

  1. 1.
    the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.
    "the state's monopoly of radio and television broadcasting"

I didn't realize the UFC had exclusive control of MMA fighters and holding MMA fights.
 
Andreh said:
Get Sakuraba out of your AV right now, you don't deserve it. STFU.
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Again, not an argument. Why is everyone who is a socialist so weak when it comes to defending their points?
 
Oeshon said:
monopoly

  1. 1.
    the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.
    "the state's monopoly of radio and television broadcasting"

I didn't realize the UFC had exclusive control of MMA fighters and holding MMA fights.
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How does this respond to what I said? You’re just repeating my point, lol.
 
Oeshon said:
Again, not an argument. Why is everyone who is a socialist so weak when it comes to defending their points?
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Oh god, you’re more delusional than I thought if you think your shitposts are examples of strongly defending points.
 
VVarhead said:
Fuck off Dana.

Do you know what real sports pay their athletes?
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Oh because the UFC brings in NBA, MLB, NFL or NHL money lol? UFC is trying to build a sport, in addition, to pay for one and REAL sports have been around for nearly a century. Your comparing apples and oranges.
 
I think 20 percent is fine. Or 10 percent. Or whatever they want to pay.

The market should decide. When the UFC can't get high quality fighters to sign, then they'll be forced to raise their pay. But right now they have all the best guys so it doesn't look like the system is broken IMO.

The only thing I'd like to see is like a retirement plan that includes healthcare. So like if you fight in the UFC for 10 years you get healthcare for life. If you fight for 5 years maybe they only give you 5 years of free healthcare after you retire. Something like that would be better than just just paying them more money.
 
tatanos said:
Oh god, you’re more delusional than I thought if you think your shitposts are examples of strongly defending points.
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I'm not the one putting forth the argument. The onus is on you to defend your assertions. So far you have summed up your argument as "wah wah wah, they need to pay 50%!!!!"
 
Oeshon said:
I'm not the one putting forth the argument. The onus is on you to defend your assertions. So far you have summed up your argument as "wah wah wah, they need to pay 50%!!!!"
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What argument? You said something incredibly stupid, and I pointed out that market shares determine monopoly, not quantity of competing businesses.

If one business owns 90% of the market, and there are a million businesses which own the remaining 10%, it’s still an example of monopoly.

Stop acting like a dumbass and trying to drag down the level of discourse.
 
BobbyBuds said:
100%.... This is a growing sport & marketing/expansion cost, not to mention customer acquisition to transition a fan into a new sport I can only imagine.... You're talking about an entire organization that was purchased for $1.8 Million in the 21st century.

The valuation of the company means very little as it sold at a valuation of close to 50x forward earnings... This was not cheap & the Fertittas needed to invest 20x their investment ($40M) in-order to simply keep the sport alive and get it to the mainstream.

From there, they needed to continue to re-invest without the platforms the other major sports organizations has. The cost to break through their barriers is exactly that, a cost.

You could not have possibly put 50% of revenue into the fighters pocket or the company would go bust... Dana & the Fertittas made millions a year, sure, but if we're going to look at it practically, they created enormous compensation & an entire industry that never existed prior to them. Additionally, they were not taking anywhere CLOSE to 30% of revenue for compensation (the difference between fighter pay of UFC and the big 4) & anyone who doesn't understand this isn't in a position to speak about this from knowledge.

Fighter compensation was far higher than executive compensation & the UFC/Zuffa had as many staff members working for the company as they did fighters. They had an entire floor of lawyers in their old office specifically designated to put out fires & create them where needed to move things forward.

The exponential growth in fighter pay is obvious for those looking. Everyone wants to make more & the bottom end of fighters has gone up far above inflation & the top tier the same. Compensation will continue to grow as exposure increases at this level & the fighters that do extremely well will be able to utilize their brand/image in many other avenues.

If you look at the businesses alone created by fighters from from their own gyms, spices, whisky & podcast (of which Zuffa/WME/UFC receives nothing of) the opportunities they have created is truly endless.

These lawsuits simply help keep the law industry alive, more often than not simply stealing value from both sides through the mask of a degree.. I'm not saying all lawyers are bad, or even most. There's some incredible lawyers who do amazing thing.. For the most part though, it is one of, if not the largest "value stealing" industries to ever exist... I guess that's why they make for great politicians :p
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Very true. 20% of $4 billion is still better than 50% of $40 million.
 
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