UFC 248 Adesanya vs Romero

I'm just saying if that's what your betting on (Zhang running out of steam) the odds are heavily against you.
 
She got an armbar in a 2 minute clip so she's going to beat JJ by decision over five rounds despite a gigantic volume difference? She needs to finish to win.

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"She needs to finish to win?"

Meh, I don't think so, not necessarily even if Zhang doesn't finish Joanna, which I think she will... She will punish her so much that Joanna will become slow from all the injuries inflicted by Zhang.
 
Zhang almost lost to Daniel Taylor a few fights ago. She’s been dropped by much lesser women.

Her ko of Andrade was an anomaly and is probably the reason we have jj at dog odds.

jj chin problems are overblown. That was due to her weight cutting which she’s looked to correct

Mind you Zhang was a Champion before she debut in the UFC. The notion that Glory and Experience is foreign to her, you are wishfully mistaking brother.

Lol she is 20-1-0. Foolish casuals. You know not of what you speaketh...:)
 
Mind you Zhang was a Champion before she debut in the UFC. The notion that Glory and Experience is foreign to her, you are wishfully mistaking brother.

Lol she is 20-1-0. Foolish casuals. You know not of what you speaketh...:)


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CHINA CHINA POWER.

What is it about female fighters that encourages straight-up fanboying instead of rational discussion?
 
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Mind you Zhang was a Champion before she debut in the UFC. The notion that Glory and Experience is foreign to her, you are wishfully mistaking brother.

Lol she is 20-1-0. Foolish casuals. You know not of what you speaketh...:)

How many different peds do you think she’s on? Chinese peds and Chinese mma are superior!

do you think she was on adrenochrome for the Andrade fight?
 
CHINA CHINA POWER.

What is it about female fighters that encourages straight-up fanboying instead of rational discussion?

Non-bettors I think. It really just leads to thin arguments of why they think a fighter will win. They don't watch tape or judge fighters subjectively which leads to poor quality of threads.

Not that I'm giving any huge chunks of analysis, but still.
 
Sorry, fellas I didn't mean too, I didn't know I was in (Betting discussion) forgive my ignorance. I'm leaving you guys take care good - luck to all of you..
 
Sorry, fellas I didn't mean too, I didn't know I was in (Betting discussion) forgive my ignorance. I'm leaving you guys take care good - luck to all of you..

Nobody is kicking you out, it's beneficial to learn to analyse fights from a betting perspective because it forces you to cut out subjective shit like what fighters say in interviews, previous results etc. As opposed to just saying you think fighter A is going to win because she has beaten cans and looks great in training. In fact I was leaning Zhang by TKO until seeing a lot of people taking JJ at underdog odds. I may be overestimating Zhangs KO ability just because she stood and banged with Andrade and came out the winner.

JJs chin worries me though, if Rose can drop her I'm very certain if Zhang can land she will drop her too.
 
According to the data we have on profile. I think Zhang will take it, because she utilizes more technique's than Joanna.

Joanna styled Muay Tai: that's her specialty. So we know the Muey Tai technique: jabs, elbows, uppercut, clinch, knees, high kick, low kick, ECT. Joanna WILL all of the skill. Joanna has no ground game at all, at least not to my knowledge, her (TDD however is A plus,) but that still leaves her vulnerable, for TD and ground control, by her opponent.

Zhang is a practitioner of Sanda/Muay Tai/BJJ:
Notice the difference Zhang is MMArtist. She use's Sanda, mix with Muey Tai elbows and knees. Zhang does not use Muey Tai leg kick her kick's are Sanda style. Zhang dosent use jab, she punch 1-2 combination, left, right, uppercut, it is a different style of attack. Style make fights!

Zhang has the upperhand in the clinch, grapple, and takedown, all the area belong to Zhang, credit to(Sanda and BJJ) this a fact until "proven" otherwise.

She is a true Mix Martial artist. This is why I chose Zhang, the ODDS are heavily in her favor. Joanna is not a mix Martial artist. Let's be honest she is Muay Tai Specialist. The UFC may be a MMA ORG, but more than half of the athletes are hardly MMAartist's!

However, knowing this doesnt guarantee a win, the assement and data is only good on profile. So we know Zhang can utilize all her moves, at a high level 7. Joanna an Elite Muay Tai user level 7.

Will JJ be able to stop Zhang's flurry's with her Muey Tai?

Thats for you to decide
 
Pretty much. JJ will overwhelmingly win rounds here and a W115 favourite prettymchh being KO or bust is dumb

Werent you on Andrade when she fought Zhang? I can't doubt her at this point.

I see no clear paths to victory for JJ other than gift decision. She's been destroyed twice by Rose, Valentina and has a win over Waterson whom I thought didn't belong in there with her.

I really think Zhang gets the job done ITD. Already have 3u on her @ -140.
 
According to the data we have on profile. I think Zhang will take it, because she utilizes more technique's than Joanna.

Joanna styled Muay Tai: that's her specialty. So we know the Muey Tai technique: jabs, elbows, uppercut, clinch, knees, high kick, low kick, ECT. Joanna WILL all of the skill. Joanna has no ground game at all, at least not to my knowledge, her (TDD however is A plus,) but that still leaves her vulnerable, for TD and ground control, by her opponent.

Zhang is a practitioner of Sanda/Muay Tai/BJJ:
Notice the difference Zhang is MMArtist. She use's Sanda, mix with Muey Tai elbows and knees. Zhang does not use Muey Tai leg kick her kick's are Sanda style. Zhang dosent use jab, she punch 1-2 combination, left, right, uppercut, it is a different style of attack. Style make fights!

Zhang has the upperhand in the clinch, grapple, and takedown, all the area belong to Zhang, credit to(Sanda and BJJ) this a fact until "proven" otherwise.

She is a true Mix Martial artist. This is why I chose Zhang, the ODDS are heavily in her favor. Joanna is not a mix Martial artist. Let's be honest she is Muay Tai Specialist. The UFC may be a MMA ORG, but more than half of the athletes are hardly MMAartist's!

However, knowing this doesnt guarantee a win, the assement and data is only good on profile. So we know Zhang can utilize all her moves, at a high level 7. Joanna an Elite Muay Tai user level 7.

Will JJ be able to stop Zhang's flurry's with her Muey Tai?

Thats for you to decide
Wtf is this? Please leave and comeback when you can at least spell Muay Thai. This hurt my brain.
 
Werent you on Andrade when she fought Zhang? I can't doubt her at this point.

I see no clear paths to victory for JJ other than gift decision. She's been destroyed twice by Rose, Valentina and has a win over Waterson whom I thought didn't belong in there with her.

I really think Zhang gets the job done ITD. Already have 3u on her @ -140.
That second fight with rose was very close.

After jj discovered she could take roses punches she got back into her game and evened the fight up going into round 5. Rose however came out and had a strong 5th round. I had it 48-47 for rose
 
Werent you on Andrade when she fought Zhang? I can't doubt her at this point.

I see no clear paths to victory for JJ other than gift decision. She's been destroyed twice by Rose, Valentina and has a win over Waterson whom I thought didn't belong in there with her.

I really think Zhang gets the job done ITD. Already have 3u on her @ -140.
Put $100 on Zhang KO1 to cover my Andrade action since I felt it was a real possibility but she'd get fucked down the stretch

JJ a lot busier in the striking and has the better cardio

Can even dig up the slip
 
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Put $100 on Zhang KO1 to cover my Andrade action since I felt it was a real possibility but she'd get fucked down the stretch

JJ a lot busier in the striking and has the better cardio

Can even dig up the slip

but you put $500 on Andrade so....{<shrug}

I’m kidding of course and I’ll take your word for it. I still think you’re making a mistake overlooking Zhang especially against JJ. I see improvements and hunger in Zhang’s eyes. I definitely do not see that with Joana’s last few performances...

Zhang landed ~64% strikes she’s attempted (an average of her last 4 fights) whereas JJ is at ~41% throwing more volume overall but with much less power.
 
but you put $500 on Andrade so....{<shrug}

I’m kidding of course and I’ll take your word for it. I still think you’re making a mistake overlooking Zhang especially against JJ. I see improvements and hunger in Zhang’s eyes. I definitely do not see that with Joana’s last few performances...

Zhang landed ~64% strikes she’s attempted (an average of her last 4 fights) whereas JJ is at ~41% throwing more volume overall but with much less power.
I mean KO1 was +1200 so I ended up way ahead on the fight.

My pre-fight thoughts were about accurate.

Stuff like improvement and hunger are non-entities, a lot of her strikes landed were against very middling competition and I don't think she can hold power or volume deep into fights.
 
Suggest people check Luke Thomas' analysis on Joanna's current status.



Strike % with Joanna is largely meaningless. A ton of it is static or meant to get reactions to confuse and create clean openings. You guys are going to see more of this with more fighters over time.

Also Weili's volume is at Joanna's level so not sure what you guys are looking at.

Look out for Luke Thomas' clinch analysis for her whenever he decides to post it.

Have a great weekend guys!
 
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