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I was surperised that a former south east asean gold medallist told me Uchimata is more of the hip throw instead of an unbalancing throw. Basically he told me the kicking of your leg back is merely to get your hips higher and not meant to kick anything. One of the The main fulcrum of the throw is using the hip to throw.

I had always thought and felt Uchimata was about using the arms and reaping leg to off balance the other person. The hips had a place but not one of the main points. no.
 
I cant speak from a Judo perspective as I am a total NEWB to the sport. But in wrestling there are similar throws and they are more of hip type tosses.
In fact I have seen very similar throws used most often when one of the wrestlers lacks experience. For instance some times a guy that has the whizzer in tries to jump over your back after you have shot. he has the whizzer on and thinks he is in good position.
But you NEVER step over the whizzer. What ends up happening is a throw that looks very much like Uchi Mata. And in those cases the throw is performed with no kcik involved due to your hips being in so deep in that situation.

So I guess what I am trying to say is that it makes sense that the leg reap is pretty much the "finishing touch" against a standing opponent.

I am sure some of the Judo guys in the know will come in and straighten us out shortly.
 
According to my coach the picture perfect clean Uchi is a hip throw, and as you said the leg is but a fulcrum to get the hip in. However the UM that you see in competition that everyone likes to throw is more sweeping the leg and pulling the opponent off balance. In both cases its a hard turn by the thrower that puts the oppenent to the mat. But as coach says, save style points for kata competitions and any time you throw your opponent its a good throw.

I'm not much of an Uchimata guy, but that was gist that I got. Haven't really been able to put in the reps on it enough to feel comfortable going for it in competition.
 
There are two basic styles of uchimata. The one goes for the inner leg, and is in fact mainly a hip throw. The other goes for the outer leg (in the extreme case it's nicknamed the stretchy) and is a leg throw ... you often see this one done with a few bounces. That is, tori catches the leg and bounces a few times, shifting uke with each bounce. You'll see both flavors in olympic hi-lites at www.judoinfo.com, for example.
 
you usually pull them off balance then come in and sweep the leg, depending on how you are taght, it can be used with your hip, I have seen t taught many different ways.
 
Uchimata is a Hip throw, and is as the korean told you

the variation Ken ken uchimata, or "Pissing dog" uchimata is a leg throw
 
Yes the "real" Uchimata is favored by the Judo traditionalists. The "Two Dogs Pissing", well I'll take an Ippon with that just as quick :)
 
You can classify uchimata into two groups, Koshi and Ashi, though officially it is only a koshi waza.

The traditional way is simply with the hip, as you were told. The kazure version of uchi mata (No ken ken) is generally only seen being used by taller opponents. No hip is employed at all and the throw is accomplished simply by popping your opponents inner leg up with the back of your thigh hard enough and high enough to get his supporting leg's foot off the ground.
 
Any vids of the 'dog pissing throw'?

I couldn't find any.
 
Uchimata is traditionally classified as a leg technique, and this can be seen in Nage No Kata. It has become a full on hip throw through time.
My favorite uchimata is Kosei Inoue's. Man oh man...
Q, I do the "peeing dog" uchimata. I'm sure you can imagine it: lifting the leg like a peeing dog and rotate the guy around and over. It's UGLY. But I ipponed a guy with it in my last tournament.
 
Yeah, uchi mata is definitely a leg technique (at least officially), so I'm not sure what people are saying about it being a hip one traditionally.

I agree that the hip version is very popular, but honestly to me most of the time I think that version should be called hane goshi. Of course, I'm not an authority on the technical classification of the throws (and I don't care that much either as long as it works), so maybe a strong hip uchi mata is just fine.

But at least in the official books, uchi mata is a leg technique. Same with the kata way.
 
Balto, I've been taught the uchimata as a tsuri komi goshi with a "mule kick" thrown in style, and though I can see that this is a valid technique, it just doesn't work for me. I've also been taught the ken ken peeing dog style and that came together for me big time.
To me hane is lifting the opponents far leg. There seems to be a whole world of debate over what makes something a hane and what makes something a uchimata and it all gets a bit convoluted if you ask me. I can say this...they feel roughly the same to me. I turn, throw my leg up, pull and push with the hands, etc. Where I connect is secondary, and doesn't really matter, as long as they go over....
 
Bublbe boy you are right that it is the far leg in a HAne Goshi but to me atleast a bigger differnece is that a HAne Goshi you push up your leg more and a uchimata is more of a kicking motion , more pseed in the motion for the uchi
 
Uchimata can be also done on the far leg, and it's still different from hane goshi.

Uchimata against the far let hit the inside of the higher part of the leg, Hanegoshi there is a total concact between the legs and his shin is hit by the side of yours.
 
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