Tyron Woodley vs. Nate Diaz is a really bad idea

[johncola]

If anyone here knows me, they know I care about fights more than titles. I want to see the best fights, even at the cost of ignoring titles, rankings, and records, or what Luke Thomas would call "divisional maintenance".

But this is neither the best fight, nor a fight that does well for divisional maintenance.

Here's why it's a bad idea:

• It's a mismatch that Woodley's 80%+ likely to win, as Nate doesn't do well against powerful wrestlers. I want to see competitive fights
  
• They'd have to pay Nate big money to take the fight, and it isn't like he's a Conor-like draw, so financially this isn't even a huge fight for them
• It's extremely short-sighted, as a Nate loss hurts the Conor/Nate trilogy fight, so medium-term they're likely to lose money on this
• Even if Nate wins, then what? Great, now you have Nate Diaz as champion, who doesn't like management, is tough to get along with, wants lots of money, and won't fight often
• Giving Nate the shot when the top 2 contenders (RDA, Covington) would clearly destroy him (ofc Rafael already has) further shits all over the credibility of the fight.

I'm in favor of Stipe/DC, Alvarez/Conor, Tony getting an interim title, Holloway getting an interim title, TJ/DJ, Cyborg/Nunes, and many more things that have happened that some of you disagree with. But there's no way anyone should be in favor of the UFC making Tyron/Nate.

 

[WaylonMercy5150]

Nate is a bigger draw than you think. Although I do agree with most your points, after the Conor fights Nate can realistically draw some nice numbers

 

[Limit Smasher]

Nate has a win over the GOAT so he deserves this fight. Nick Diaz gets next shot if Nate loses.

 

[Captain Tight]

Nate is a bigger draw than you think. Although I do agree with most your points, after the Conor fights Nate can realistically draw some nice numbers

Jesus Christ, the whole post was about how the fight would pan out stylistically and the aftermath. This isn't about his Draw power

Nice Thread, TS! I agree 100% THIS IS FUCKING BAD for all parties

 

[20falarVerdades]

The UFC is betting on the small possibility that Nate wins and then they get to make Conor vs Nate III and then Conor vs RDA

 

[Local Plata]

In the Conor era, rankings and weightclasses don't matter. Just make dumb fights that they think will sell right now before it all comes crumbling down and turns into a complete copy of boxing.

 

[welcometohavoc]

Nate is a bigger draw than you think. Although I do agree with most your points, after the Conor fights Nate can realistically draw some nice numbers

As a consumer, I don't give a shit about draws or how much money the UFC makes on a fight. I care about interesting, competitive, relevant fights. And this ain't one of them.

Nate getting a title shot at WW would be a bigger joke than when Conor got a LW title shot and easily the biggest joke fight in history

 

[Razor T]

Nate needs to get in line and earn his right for a title shot.

 

[Fstepp]

If anyone here knows me, they know I care about fights more than titles. I want to see the best fights, even at the cost of ignoring titles, rankings, and records, or what Luke Thomas would call "divisional maintenance".

But this is neither the best fight, nor a fight that does well for divisional maintenance.

Here's why it's a bad idea:

• It's a mismatch that Woodley's 80%+ likely to win, as Nate doesn't do well against powerful wrestlers. I want to see competitive fights
  
• They'd have to pay Nate big money to take the fight, and it isn't like he's a Conor-like draw, so financially this isn't even a huge fight for them
• It's extremely short-sighted, as a Nate loss hurts the Conor/Nate trilogy fight, so medium-term they're likely to lose money on this
• Even if Nate wins, then what? Great, now you have Nate Diaz as champion, who doesn't like management, is tough to get along with, wants lots of money, and won't fight often
• Giving Nate the shot when the top 2 contenders (RDA, Covington) would clearly destroy him (ofc Rafael already has) further shits all over the credibility of the fight.

I'm in favor of Stipe/DC, Alvarez/Conor, Tony getting an interim title, Holloway getting an interim title, TJ/DJ, Cyborg/Nunes, and many more things that have happened that some of you disagree with. But there's no way anyone should be in favor of the UFC making Tyron/Nate.

Woodley-fan detected.

 

[Sapphorous]

I really don't see any way this ends other than Nate being rag dolled. Watch either of his WW fights against Rory or Kim to see how this goes down. Yeah yeah Woodley "backs up against the cage" all night, but not this time when he has such an obvious strength and wrestling advantage over an opponent.

 

[Codpiece]

It's an idiotic fight to make, for many reasons. TS has listed most of them.

 

[MitMcl]

The UFC is betting on the small possibility that Nate wins and then they get to make Conor vs Nate III and then Conor vs RDA

I think you mean Conor vs. GSP.

 

[johncola]

Woodley-fan detected.

Not especially

 

[Diet Butcher]

Tyron is going to obliterate Nate

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Nate, he whoops Conor up and hes a god now

He struggled against all the top LWs he fought in his career. And the goatest of self-proclaimed goats sees this as a good fight? Twood never gonna get the respect he so desires so much.

 

[Fstepp]

Nate is not known for being The Stockton Leviathan and Destroyer of Egos for nothing!


WAR DIAZ!

 

[Ruthless Ryan]

Shit fight for sure and I really doubt it will happen, Dana is not going to pay Nate a billion dollars, he is so undeserving its not even funny and will make UFC look like shit more then any "buy rate" is worth. We have all shit on Dana for good reasons but I really don't think they will stoop this low...this is mostly TW begging for an easy "money" fight more then anything.

 

[AC1D1K]

since the conor fights we havnt seen how much nate can pull by himself they should be nice numbers

 

[Ether13]

How crazy / fucking awesome would it be if Nate beat Woodley??

That being said, this fight won’t get made, and if it does, Woodley wrestlefucks Nate for an easy UD.

 

[ChangeIsComing]

Yeah its a stupid fight for sure...I could easily approve Tyron vs Nick...but Nate...I mean the smaller Diaz? wtf Tyron is such a pussy for calling out Nate...and where the fuck is Nick? fucking guy could have this fight if he just wok the fuck up.

Big fan of Nate but...Tyron is just going to wrestle him...and Nate isnt big enough to do shit about it...Nick on the other hand..that would be a good fight.