NFL Tyreek Hill will run 100m Friday

[codfather]

You saw my list of sub 10.20 sprinters who played NFL football.

I also posted those at sub9.3 for yards.

Here is those at 9.3/9.4

9.3

JD Hill
Travis Williams
Henry Carr
Cecil Turner
Len Wills
Isacc Curtis
Gerald Tinker
Stone Johnson
John Roberick
Larry Burton
Ray Norton
Frank Budd 9.2 forgot him above
Johnny Jones

9.4

Homer Jones
Mark Duper
Joe Delaney
Trendon Jackson
Butch Woolfolk
Ken Burroughs

Now look at both lists, that is a lot of speed.

Watch this.

Now give me a list of fast soccerites and their times, ya can't do it,nobody can, there are no fast soccerites just that simple.

Hell, neither Bo Jackson or Herschel Walker are even listed, and both were far faster than any soccerite.

Soccer rejects:
9.58 - Usain Bolt - 6'5
9.86 - Francis Obikwelu - 6'3
9.97 - Adam Gemili - 5'10
10.04 - Darren Campbell - 6'1


Besides, I always thought 100m was a super-arbitrary distance, where a huge part of its glamorization was the fact that it requires almost zero time or patience to view, and the US is good at it.

If you want a rational distance for humans to compete over, it should be either:

1. 8,849 m: equivalent to the highest peak on earth, above sea level.
2. 11,034 m: equivalent to the deepest part of the ocean on earth, below sea level.
3. 19,883 m: equivalent to the highest peak on earth, above sea level, to the deepest part of the ocean on earth, below sea level.

...but I think we know why those distances would never take off in major broadcast markets:
Men's 10,000 m, all-time best (top 8 all represent countries in Eastern Africa; Uganda, Ethiopia, Kenya)
Men's 20 km road, all-time best (top 17 all represent countries in Eastern Africa; Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda)

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Soccer rejects:
9.58 - Usain Bolt - 6'5
9.86 - Francis Obikwelu - 6'3
9.97 - Adam Gemili - 5'10
10.04 - Darren Campbell - 6'1


Besides, I always thought 100m was a super-arbitrary distance, where a huge part of its glamorization was the fact that it requires almost zero time or patience to view, and the US is good at it.

If you want a rational distance for humans to compete over, it should be either:

1. 8,849 m: equivalent to the highest peak on earth, above sea level.
2. 11,034 m: equivalent to the deepest part of the ocean on earth, below sea level.
3. 19,883 m: equivalent to the highest peak on earth, above sea level, to the deepest part of the ocean on earth, below sea level.

...but I think we know why those distances would never take off in major broadcast markets:
Men's 10,000 m, all-time best (top 8 all represent countries in Eastern Africa; Uganda, Ethiopia, Kenya)
Men's 20 km road, all-time best (top 17 all represent countries in Eastern Africa; Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda)

The 100meters isn't Americam we ran the 100 yards. We finally switched over to join the rest of the world.

The thing about soccer vs football is none of those who succeed in soccer have ever done anything in track. While there have been TONS of world class sprinters ALSO play football.

We just saw an NFLer run a 10.15 which is a world class time.. When has any soccer ite ever did anything like that, yep......they don't.

So many sub 10.30 sprinters have played pro football. that can't be said about soccer.

Forget anything over 400m, that is where speed stops.

 

[Madmick]

Soccer rejects:
9.58 - Usain Bolt - 6'5
9.86 - Francis Obikwelu - 6'3
9.97 - Adam Gemili - 5'10
10.04 - Darren Campbell - 6'1

LOL was does bringing up people who never played a sport professionally achieve to serve as an example of the elite athleticism of people who play the sport professionally?


He's talking about actual NFL players who ran elite world-class sprint times. These are actual professional American football players, and that's the caliber of their athleticism.

Nobody gives a fuck about professional sprinters whose highlight as soccer players was eating oranges mum brought in a cooler at halftime before shipping off in her minivan to the arcade at the local mall after the game.

 

[codfather]

LOL was does bringing up people who never played a sport professionally achieve to serve as an example of the elite athleticism of people who play the sport professionally?


He's talking about actual NFL players who ran elite world-class sprint times. These are actual professional American football players, and that's the caliber of their athleticism.

Nobody gives a fuck about professional sprinters whose highlight as soccer players was eating oranges mum brought in a cooler at halftime before shipping off in her minivan to the arcade at the local mall after the game.

Isn't the broader point of guys like you and Sir Incel Smalldick that NFL players would dominate the highest levels of soccer based on pure athleticism?

Yet Usain Bolt, the 6'5 fastest man ever, couldn't even get a contract in the 88th highest-revenue sports league in the world, as a 32 year old.

Francis Obikwelu, a 6'3 guy, faster than anybody who ever played in the big four north American sports leagues, couldn't even land a prospect contract in the 23rd highest-revenue sports league, as a 16 year old.

Adam Gemili; faster than all but one white American ever (Kalen Walker), spent SEVEN FUCKING YEARS in the Chelsea academy, and still fucking sucked at the end of it. That's one of the best academies in the world! Just in recent years... Musiala, Rice, Olise, Mount, Reece James, Colwill, Gittens, Gallagher, Tomori, Abraham, Guehi, Solanke, Ake...

Also, I couldn't help but notice, these conversations have increasingly begun to lean towards the NFL, rather than the NFL/NBA, as it's become progessively more likely we'll go 10 seasons in a row without a US-born NBA MVP.

 

[Madmick]

Isn't the broader point of guys like you and Sir Incel Smalldick that NFL players would dominate the highest levels of soccer based on pure athleticism?

What, like not trolling? The serious point is that those attributes required to succeed in soccer as a sport don't select as aggressively for athleticism as in other major sports, principally the examples being basketball and American football, and so soccer pros are generally inferior athletes to the pros in those sports' top leagues. The best athletes are clearly in the NBA and the NFL, not the European soccer leagues.

But, more broadly speaking, if you had two identically sized populations, the one with superior athletes would produce more elite soccer players if everything else was equal (participation rates, competition, training quality, coaching expertise, nutrition, resources that allow elective pursuit of sport, etc).

Yet Usain Bolt, the 6'5 fastest man ever, couldn't even get a contract in the 88th highest-revenue sports league in the world, as a 32 year old.

LOL, as wrong as another resident of the sports bar who tried counting this as him playing professional soccer. Wrong and wrong. He was offered a contract. Of course, observers of the sport talked about how terrible he was, but that wasn't the point. The club offered it because they knew his celebrity would put butts in seats. All about the Benjamins.

So put it all together. He could get a contract, not because he was good enough to play, but he didn't accept it, probably because they didn't offer him enough money for it to be worth his time, so he never actually played a real professional soccer game. Could, but didn't. Not couldn't, not did. Hilarious how both of you thread the needle to miss the bullseye in different ways.

Also, spare everyone the Usain crap. A retired athlete moonlighting to seriously train for like six months to take a stab at another pro sport isn't a genuine example of that person as a prime athletic specimen failing in a lifelong attempt to pursue a career in that sport.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Isn't the broader point of guys like you and Sir Incel Smalldick that NFL players would dominate the highest levels of soccer based on pure athleticism?

Yet Usain Bolt, the 6'5 fastest man ever, couldn't even get a contract in the 88th highest-revenue sports league in the world, as a 32 year old.

Francis Obikwelu, a 6'3 guy, faster than anybody who ever played in the big four north American sports leagues, couldn't even land a prospect contract in the 23rd highest-revenue sports league, as a 16 year old.

Adam Gemili; faster than all but one white American ever (Kalen Walker), spent SEVEN FUCKING YEARS in the Chelsea academy, and still fucking sucked at the end of it. That's one of the best academies in the world! Just in recent years... Musiala, Rice, Olise, Mount, Reece James, Colwill, Gittens, Gallagher, Tomori, Abraham, Guehi, Solanke, Ake...

Also, I couldn't help but notice, these conversations have increasingly begun to lean towards the NFL, rather than the NFL/NBA, as it's become progessively more likely we'll go 10 seasons in a row without a US-born NBA MVP.

Adam Gemili faster than Noah Lyles, Justin Gatlin, Tyson Gay, Trayvon Bromell, Fred Kerley, Chrisitan Coleman, Kenny Bednarek, Maurice Greene, come on rookie do some homework,ok?

Rookies, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~~

And........where have I said anything about footballers playing soccer, so cool the BS, ok?

Yes footballers are bigger stronger and faster, but do doubt they coud kick a ball around..

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

LOL was does bringing up people who never played a sport professionally achieve to serve as an example of the elite athleticism of people who play the sport professionally?


He's talking about actual NFL players who ran elite world-class sprint times. These are actual professional American football players, and that's the caliber of their athleticism.

Nobody gives a fuck about professional sprinters whose highlight as soccer players was eating oranges mum brought in a cooler at halftime before shipping off in her minivan to the arcade at the local mall after the game.

Thank you I can see you get it.

 

[codfather]

What, like not trolling? The serious point is that those attributes required to succeed in soccer as a sport don't select as aggressively for athleticism as in other major sports, principally the examples being basketball and American football, and so soccer pros are generally inferior athletes to the pros in those sports' top leagues. The best athletes are clearly in the NBA and the NFL, not the European soccer leagues.

But, more broadly speaking, if you had two identically sized populations, the one with superior athletes would produce more elite soccer players if everything else was equal (participation rates, competition, training quality, coaching expertise, nutrition, resources that allow elective pursuit of sport, etc).

Even if we accept your definition of athleticism, which is heavily biased in favor of length (NBA) and mass (NFL), soccer can "brute force" superior athletes, just based on sheer talent pool.

Let's compare apples to apples. Check out wikipedia pageviews for the top extant men's national team tournaments in soccer and other allegedly "international" sports like basketball and baseball, in various regions. You can argue it's not very representative of reality, and I'd agree, wikipedia's traffic is about 6x more American than the world generally! 24.7% vs 4.2%.

Worldwide:
Soccer - 183m
Baseball - 15.8m
Basketball - 13.7m

...soccer
12x higher than baseball
13x higher than basketball


Europe:
Soccer - 69.5m
Basketball - 5.5m
Baseball - 0.2m

...soccer:
13x higher than basketball
348x higher than baseball


Asia and Oceania:
Soccer - 23.1m
Basketball - 1.3m
Baseball - 0.5m

...soccer:
18x higher than basketball
46x higher than baseball


The Americas:
Soccer - 49.4m
Basketball - 0.7m
Baseball - 0.1m

...soccer:
71x higher than basketball
494x higher than baseball


Africa:
Soccer - 29m
Basketball - 0.6m
Baseball - 0m

...soccer:
48x higher than basketball
4232x higher than baseball



Just for the record:

Who are the top 10 most athletic people in the world right now?

Who are the top 10 most athletic countries in the world right now?

 

[Madmick]

Even if we accept your definition of athleticism, which is heavily biased in favor of length (NBA) and mass (NFL), soccer can "brute force" superior athletes, just based on sheer talent pool.

It cannot. That is evident by this very thread, and the fact the only "soccer players" you can mention that are actually fast were never soccer players to begin with, LOL.

It can no more "brute force" the best athletes than Darts or Billiards could if they were 3x as popular as soccer. Because it isn't the massive talent pools who participate that are offered up as competition. It's the tiny few who make it to the top leagues. This is what selection is about.

You have failed for years to comprehend the most basic concepts of this debate because you seem incapable of stopping to consider their fundamentals.

 

[codfather]

The best athletes are clearly in the NBA and the NFL

This implies Canada produces better athletes than every country except the US.

Canada has produced more NFL players than every country except the US; that goes for current rosters, and all-time.

Same deal for the NBA.

Canada has produced more NBA players than every country except the US; that goes for current rosters, and all-time.

Strange that Canada only finished 12th in the Paris 2024 medal table.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

My song n' dance has always been how those in the NFL did other things not just football, that can't be said about the soccer ites.

Around 30ish NFLers were also Olympians, we don't see that in soccer.

The big guys threw things, lifted things, wrestlers, the skilled postion footballers were long jumpers, hurdlers, sprinters.

A whole other level of athlete in the NFL compared to soccer.

 

[Madmick]

Tyreek Hill Beats Noah Lyles’ Brother In 100-Meter Race After Olympian’s Head-To-Head Refusal​

Not wind legal, but a 10.10 this time. Just look at the ages of the racers. NFL talent = mindblowing.

LOL, Noah totally pussed out.

Tyreek Hill was denied the opportunity to race Olympian Noah Lyles head-to-head. He took the next best option by competing against his younger brother...

Hill and Lyles have had a back-and-forth rivalry dating back to the Paris Olympics. Hill mocked the World’s Fastest Man for not sweeping both the 100 and 200-meter events while battling a respiratory illness. He also challenged Lyles to a race.

Lyles responded by accepting the challenge while calling “Cheetah’s” bluff. The two then agreed on a head-to-head battle before Noah Lyles pulled out.

Lyles cited “personal reasons” in his vague reasoning for the cancellation.

“Unfortunately, there were some things, complications, personal reasons that it just didn’t come to pass, but we were full on. We were going to shut down New York’s Times Square and everything, it was going to be a lot of fun.”

-Noah Lyles

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Tyreek Hill Beats Noah Lyles’ Brother In 100-Meter Race After Olympian’s Head-To-Head Refusal​

Not wind legal, but a 10.10 this time. Just look at the ages of the racers. NFL talent = mindblowing.

LOL, Noah totally pussed out.

 

[codfather]

It cannot. That is evident by this very thread, and the fact the only "soccer players" you can mention that are actually fast were never soccer players to begin with, LOL.

It can no more "brute force" the best athletes than Darts or Billiards could if they were 3x as popular as soccer. Because it isn't the massive talent pools who participate that are offered up as competition. It's the tiny few who make it to the top leagues. This is what selection is about.

You have failed for years to comprehend the most basic concepts of this debate because you seem incapable of stopping to consider their fundamentals.

My song n' dance has always been how those in the NFL did other things not just football, that can't be said about the soccer ites.

Around 30ish NFLers were also Olympians, we don't see that in soccer.

The big guys threw things, lifted things, wrestlers, the skilled postion footballers were long jumpers, hurdlers, sprinters.

A whole other level of athlete in the NFL compared to soccer.

Do either of you want to address my Canada post? I'll repost for your convenience:

This implies Canada produces better athletes than every country except the US.

Canada has produced more NFL players than every country except the US; that goes for current rosters, and all-time.

Same deal for the NBA.

Canada has produced more NBA players than every country except the US; that goes for current rosters, and all-time.

Strange that Canada only finished 12th in the Paris 2024 medal table.