Two a day; or not to two a day?

Personally I would definitely train 5-6 nights a week at least. I would go for two a days 2-3 times per week. Then 2-3 other times I would use to lift or do some other crosstraining work (either serious work or just something fun, like playing a sport with friends or hiking or whatever).

However this is all hypothetical for me. There is also diminishing returns and the response of your body to consider. You might find that less is more, and only doing two a days once a week, and doing more crosstraining helps you more.

If I were to do two a days though, I would definitely make one of those sessions per day pure rolling. No warmups or drilling or techniques. Just rolling.
 
What do you mean by "Jiu jitsu is asymmetrical"?

Overtraining is bad. Read this article by Kesting if you haven't: Overtraining in Mixed Martial Art and No Holds Barred Conditioning

I think BJJ 2x a day is too much for most people. To get to that level you have to work up to it gradually, eat and rest very well (eating more carbs and getting lots of sleep tends to help you recover faster), AND not have a very tiring day job.

Cross train in what? Do you mean just like jogging and lifting weights? A little cardio on the side helps, but keep the runs short and intense. Long distance running will make your knee problems worse.
 
hmm....i should put a disclaimer in my post. I am in my 20s and a body that is breaking down was not part of my analysis. I also agree with redaxe that you should work up to it and make sure to get plenty of sleep. From your post I assumed you werent working now either.

However, if you can do 6 days a week I think you can increase it a little more if you want. Just do some light rolling on some days really working on specific stuff.
 
redaxe said:
What do you mean by "Jiu jitsu is asymmetrical"?

Overtraining is bad. Read this article by Kesting if you haven't: Overtraining in Mixed Martial Art and No Holds Barred Conditioning

I think BJJ 2x a day is too much for most people. To get to that level you have to work up to it gradually, eat and rest very well (eating more carbs and getting lots of sleep tends to help you recover faster), AND not have a very tiring day job.

Cross train in what? Do you mean just like jogging and lifting weights? A little cardio on the side helps, but keep the runs short and intense. Long distance running will make your knee problems worse.
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Asymmetrical meaning I do most of my techniques to my dominate side. Most sports like hockey, baseball, even golf torque one side of your body more than the other. This leads to a muscular/postural imbalance eventually causing pain or injury.

Activities like walking, biking, hiking, or swimming work your muscles evenly. I like doing these activities as an active recovery.

My body has been holding up. I keep myself in pretty good shape. I've been cutting back on the 2 a days. It takes a toll on me mentally maybe even more than physically.

My schedule has been sleep in, eat, train, eat, sleep, train, eat, sleep. I'm a teacher and I have the summer off. This summer, for different reasons, I have almost no real responsibilities.
 
anaconda said:
Personally I would definitely train 5-6 nights a week at least. I would go for two a days 2-3 times per week. Then 2-3 other times I would use to lift or do some other crosstraining work (either serious work or just something fun, like playing a sport with friends or hiking or whatever).

However this is all hypothetical for me. There is also diminishing returns and the response of your body to consider. You might find that less is more, and only doing two a days once a week, and doing more crosstraining helps you more.

If I were to do two a days though, I would definitely make one of those sessions per day pure rolling. No warmups or drilling or techniques. Just rolling.
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Thanks Anaconda,

I am not making the gains that I expected yet. Maybe I am making them and I don't know it. Maybe less is more. That's what got me to make this thread.

Thanks for reminding me to have fun. Sometimes I forget that.
 
anaconda said:
hmm....i should put a disclaimer in my post. I am in my 20s and a body that is breaking down was not part of my analysis. I also agree with redaxe that you should work up to it and make sure to get plenty of sleep. From your post I assumed you werent working now either.

However, if you can do 6 days a week I think you can increase it a little more if you want. Just do some light rolling on some days really working on specific stuff.
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Sometimes I think I am in my 20's as well. 42 doesn't feel too bad. You just have to be crafty.:icon_twis

Thanks again for the reply.
 
Cash Bill 52 said:
Thanks Anaconda,

I am not making the gains that I expected yet. Maybe I am making them and I don't know it. Maybe less is more. That's what got me to make this thread.

Thanks for reminding me to have fun. Sometimes I forget that.
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no problem...I am going to be in your situation soon for at least a few weeks so I have thought a lot about it :)

My problem is that I am coming back from an injury at the same time so I have to force myself to come back at a reasonable pace.

And definitely it always helps to remember to have fun. Sometimes we all get so caught up in getting better we forget that we do it bc we love it! You have been training a lot longer than me though, and I am sure you understand that better than me too.

What do you teach btw? I think it would be pretty badass to have you as a teacher lol
 
Personally if I were you, I wouldn't do 2 a days. Martial arts take their toll and if you want to enjoy it for a long period of time, you've got to be respectful to your body. Especially if you already have joint problems.
If you feel the need to be active, swim, do something around the house or find some other hobby that can keep you occupied. I know for me, being out for school, I'm having the same feeling as you. I don't like being cooped up in the house all day, but I don't want to over train either. So I just go to the beach or swim or something until training time.
 
do some powerlifting... it will help with more than just strength

pilates is something my coach really advocates but i have never done any...
 
anaconda said:
no problem...I am going to be in your situation soon for at least a few weeks so I have thought a lot about it :)

My problem is that I am coming back from an injury at the same time so I have to force myself to come back at a reasonable pace.

And definitely it always helps to remember to have fun. Sometimes we all get so caught up in getting better we forget that we do it bc we love it! You have been training a lot longer than me though, and I am sure you understand that better than me too.

What do you teach btw? I think it would be pretty badass to have you as a teacher lol
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I taught second grade for 11 years. This year I'm moving to 5th. I still think I can take them in a fight!:icon_twis I love teaching. It's the greatest job a guy could have.

Good luck on your comeback. I've been there a few times.

When September comes I will be slammed at work. If I can make it 3 times per week I will be happy.
 
DK Radar said:
Personally if I were you, I wouldn't do 2 a days. Martial arts take their toll and if you want to enjoy it for a long period of time, you've got to be respectful to your body. Especially if you already have joint problems.
If you feel the need to be active, swim, do something around the house or find some other hobby that can keep you occupied. I know for me, being out for school, I'm having the same feeling as you. I don't like being cooped up in the house all day, but I don't want to over train either. So I just go to the beach or swim or something until training time.
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Good advice. Thanks.
 
Higher Learning said:
do some powerlifting... it will help with more than just strength

pilates is something my coach really advocates but i have never done any...
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I've heard some good things about power lifting. Squats, dead lifts, jerks.

I do those with those "rubber band things". I know it's not heavy weight but I do them for muscle endurance.

Thanks HL
 
I do two a day on tuesdays and Thursdays when I'm not working. I do bjj in the morning run a short run in afternoon and bjj again in the evening. It's a lot but the weariness makes my rolling in the evening no muscle and gets my cardio up. I love the days where I can do two. In the summer my son can do two also. He works his job around jiu jitsu. Wifey doesn't like the gas bill though
Since I've been hurt I still go and do what I can and run the rolling sessions for Keith because he has been rolling a lot himself to get in competition shape so I'm still going twice but watching and helping bummer. I'm getting better everyday and still pln on being at the US nationals in September
Edit I don't lift heavy anymore but I do p90x it up. It has weights and yoga, cardio, streching, etc. I love it
 
Due to my job "not needing me for the moment" haha, with the extra time I've begun doing two a days twice a week. I go to the pro class in the morning mon, wed, friday and train at night mon, tue, wed, thurs. And use tue, thurs, saturday mornings to lift and rest sunday. I've only been doing this for 3 weeks and feel good. Im only doing this since a competition is coming up, I dont know how long I could go on with this schedule without getting burnt out. Its nice bc the pro class in a lot of drilling and at night I basically just go in a roll for 2 hours or so. When school starts Ill go back to a one a day schedule.
 
boisefireman said:
I do two a day on tuesdays and Thursdays when I'm not working. I do bjj in the morning run a short run in afternoon and bjj again in the evening. It's a lot but the weariness makes my rolling in the evening no muscle and gets my cardio up. I love the days where I can do two. In the summer my son can do two also. He works his job around jiu jitsu. Wifey doesn't like the gas bill though
Since I've been hurt I still go and do what I can and run the rolling sessions for Keith because he has been rolling a lot himself to get in competition shape so I'm still going twice but watching and helping bummer. I'm getting better everyday and still pln on being at the US nationals in September
Edit I don't lift heavy anymore but I do p90x it up. It has weights and yoga, cardio, streching, etc. I love it
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I know i've been talking a lot of shit, but mad props to keith that is actually going to compete (i hope). Is he planning on doing the nationals too? what weight class is he?
 
Train carefully and I think 2 a days can be good for you. Stay a disciplined, get your sleep, water intake, eat OK, and listen to your body. If you kill yourself everyday then you'll burn out or get injured. Pace yourself, you'll be fine.

Work in light days, do your aggressive days the day prior to a day off.

Also, cycle. After a few (2) weeks of 2 a days take a few days in a row off. Don't do anything, no active rest on these days, just a 2, 3, 4, day vacation. Then do a normal week.
 
I'm in my 20's in what I would consider very good physical shape and two-adays even tire me out. Given I'm usually working as well, but the only time I was able to pull off two a days was when I didn't work or go to school for 2 months straight and I averaged 14-18 training sessions (weights and cross training) a week. I did literally NOTHING but train, eat, sleep, and hang out with friends a bit and I was mentally and physically exhausted a lot of the time. I was able to do it but slept maybe 12 hours a day with naps and ate like a horse. After a few weeks of this, still with no job or school or basically any other source that I had to spend time on, I cut down the amount of sessions to 8-12 simply because I didn't feel they were benefitting me as much.
 
anaconda said:
I know i've been talking a lot of shit, but mad props to keith that is actually going to compete (i hope). Is he planning on doing the nationals too? what weight class is he?
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Keith is going to do nationals if another family thing in September doesn't conflict. He would be ultra heavy black belt. He doesn't know if he would do senior 1 or open. Yes he is kicking around the idea of doing open. We are going back down to grapplers quest in december and I think he wants to compete there also
 
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