International Turkey announces invasion of Syria

Obama for getting us involved in a civil war we should have stayed far, far, far the fuck away from because there was literally no way to come out of it cleanly.
You realize Obama DID NOT want to get involved, he was pressured into it by the Neoconservatives, Hillary and the GOP. The Saudis and other Gulf Arab were also pressuring him to depose Assad but he rebuffed them.

He did not want to get involved as proven by the shit he got for putting down the red line on Assad using chemical weapons then not doing anything when Assad was accused of using them.

Unlike Trump Obama was not a president who thumbed his nose at both parties and did his own thing. So he had to give in a bit, which is why he did the half ass support for the rebels in a limited capacity.

Now as far as ISIS goes, he did the right thing in using US resources to destroy them. Any US president should get involved in destroying ISIS.
 
You realize Obama DID NOT want to get involved, he was pressured into it by the Neoconservatives, Hillary and the GOP. The Saudis and other Gulf Arab were also pressuring him to depose Assad but he rebuffed them.

He did not want to get involved as proven by the shit he got for putting down the red line on Assad using chemical weapons then not doing anything when Assad was accused of using them.

Unlike Trump Obama was not a president who thumbed his nose at both parties and did his own thing. So he had to give in a bit, which is why he did the half ass support for the rebels in a limited capacity.

Now as far as ISIS goes, he did the right thing in using US resources to destroy them. Any US president should get involved in destroying ISIS.

Was still his call in the end, because getting US forces involved in foreign conflicts is the one thing the president can put his foot down on and tell both houses to eat shit. And he caved, when the best move was staying far the fuck away from that fiasco.
 
they knew the arms were going to al qaeda. And didn’t care. And the “moderate jihadists” were just as bad. Still murdered and raped and pillaged.

they knew what was happening there, and didn’t care. So they gave weapons that’s went to al qaeda and kept on doing . Month after month, year after year.

first thing trump did when he was sworn into office was out a stop to that evil bullshit.

He enraged the murderous establishment from day one. That’s nothing short of a heroic move

I believe the correct term is moderate headchoppers
 
You realize Obama DID NOT want to get involved, he was pressured into it by the Neoconservatives, Hillary and the GOP. The Saudis and other Gulf Arab were also pressuring him to depose Assad but he rebuffed them.

He did not want to get involved as proven by the shit he got for putting down the red line on Assad using chemical weapons then not doing anything when Assad was accused of using them.

Unlike Trump Obama was not a president who thumbed his nose at both parties and did his own thing. So he had to give in a bit, which is why he did the half ass support for the rebels in a limited capacity.

Now as far as ISIS goes, he did the right thing in using US resources to destroy them. Any US president should get involved in destroying ISIS.

Even the red line thing though was a mistake to make an ultimatum like that did get Assad to turn over a shitton of chemical weapons - even if it wasn't all they had. It was sure better than them getting into ISIS hands.
 
You realize Obama DID NOT want to get involved, he was pressured into it by the Neoconservatives, Hillary and the GOP. The Saudis and other Gulf Arab were also pressuring him to depose Assad but he rebuffed them.

He did not want to get involved as proven by the shit he got for putting down the red line on Assad using chemical weapons then not doing anything when Assad was accused of using them.

Unlike Trump Obama was not a president who thumbed his nose at both parties and did his own thing. So he had to give in a bit, which is why he did the half ass support for the rebels in a limited capacity.

Now as far as ISIS goes, he did the right thing in using US resources to destroy them. Any US president should get involved in destroying ISIS.


This is demonstrably false.

Obama with the input of Ben Rhodes regularly overrode the opinions of generals.

And they made the wrong move every single time.
 
they knew the arms were going to al qaeda. And didn’t care. And the “moderate jihadists” were just as bad. Still murdered and raped and pillaged.

they knew what was happening there, and didn’t care. So they gave weapons that’s went to al qaeda and kept on doing . Month after month, year after year.

first thing trump did when he was sworn into office was out a stop to that evil bullshit.

He enraged the murderous establishment from day one. That’s nothing short of a heroic move
Do you have proof they knew the arms were going to go to AQ?

Trump? They guy who defended Saudi Arabia when they murdered and chopped up a journalist? They guy who's still fuelling the war in Yemen. Nothing heroic about that scumbag.
 
only a handful of corrupt millionaire corporatist establishment brass. They are all heavily invested in forever war, for whatever reason, and they know they aren’t “defending America”. I mean, they have so intertwined with the military industrial complex it’s criminal.

The troops still love trump, and the patriotic top brass.

It's pretty pathetic to think that Donald Trump is anything but a chickenshit coward. It's even more pathetic to think US troops are as ignorant and lacking in ethics as to be on par with you in their assessments.

This guy could throw a pregnant woman in front of himself to avoid a kick and you'd praise his gumption.
 
It's pretty pathetic to think that Donald Trump is anything but a chickenshit coward. It's even more pathetic to think US troops are as ignorant and lacking in ethics as to be on par with you in their assessments.

This guy could throw a pregnant woman in front of himself to avoid a kick and you'd praise his gumption.

The dude upsets the globalists with trade wars, and he infuriates many powerful people trying to get American out of conflicts we don’t belong in.

thats brave. Dude is still putting America first
 
Do you have proof they knew the arms were going to go to AQ?

Trump? They guy who defended Saudi Arabia when they murdered and chopped up a journalist? They guy who's still fuelling the war in Yemen. Nothing heroic about that scumbag.

yes those two things suck and we gotta end our rotten Saudi Arabia/isreal alliance.

harder done than said

yes about arms to AQ. There were guessing hundreds of news articles about how our weapons went to al qaeda and Isis. The supply never stopped. It’s that either they didn’t care, or even worse that was their intent.
 
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Pompeo is in isreal right now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnew...s-reassure-israel-amid-syria-turmoil-66364994

This isn’t about Kurds. This is about America fighting isreals battles for it. So many on this site are isreal firster bootlickers. It’s treason. Unamerican. Look how much our military and congress bow to isreali demands.

Others have expressed fear that President Donald Trump's stated desire to get out of "stupid endless wars" in the Middle East makes him an unreliable ally as Israel faces threats from Iran.

In brief remarks after their meeting, Pompeo said "the remarkable, close relationship between our two countries is as strong as it has ever been." He said they discussed ways to push back against Iran, and "efforts to jointly combat all the challenges that the world confronts here in the Middle East."

treason. Treason right here. Arrest the Lindsay Graham’s and chuck Schumer’s of our government m. Arrest our isreal first too military brass. Our military is not isreals to command, as many want it to be.
 
Was still his call in the end, because getting US forces involved in foreign conflicts is the one thing the president can put his foot down on and tell both houses to eat shit. And he caved, when the best move was staying far the fuck away from that fiasco.

Back then he can't, unless he wants to risk alienating KSA.
 
Do you have proof they knew the arms were going to go to AQ?
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Did you miss a democrat running for president stating this during a national debate like 2 days ago?


Because clearly you missed 2015/16. Though to be fair, western media did absolutely fail you in their reporting.
 
PS, ceasefire doesn’t mean cease thread.

Where are the liberals cheering for war?
 
Did you miss a democrat running for president stating this during a national debate like 2 days ago?


Because clearly you missed 2015/16. Though to be fair, western media did absolutely fail you in their reporting.
Yeh I did it. What was the proof?
 
Yeh I did it. What was the proof?


Enjoy some tasty copy pasta.


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From WP

The areas receiving this aid are carefully selected, U.S. officials said, noting that extremist groups, including Jabhat al-Nusra, are delivering services to communities newly under rebel control.



“If you see new firetrucks and ambulances in places where al-Nusra is trying to win hearts and minds, this might not be a coincidence,” said a U.S. official


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Former U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, who had been supporting an aggressive program of arming opposition brigades that had been approved by the CIA, tolda January 2015 seminar in Washington, “For a long time we have looked the other way while the Nusra Front and armed groups on the ground, some of which are getting help from us, have coordinated in military operations against the regime.

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John Kerry "If they're not serious (Russia), we'll help the opposition more."


Its as simple as looking into who these groups are. Some dissolved altogether, some aligned themselves in non aggression pacts with Isis (SRF,FSA), some simply joined alongside or were them (alNusra).



[2]Mona Alami, “Syrian rebels pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda,” USA Today, April 11, 2013; Ruth Sherlock, “Syrian rebels armed and trained by US surrender to al-Qaeda,” Telegraph, November 2, 2014.


[3]“Pentagon confirms US-trained Syria rebels gave weapons to al-Nusra,” Middle East Eye, May 26, 2015;


[4]Nabih Bulos, “US-trained Syrian rebels say they won’t fight al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra,” Telegraph, August 5, 2015.




New York Times, “With the proviso that the Nusra Front, Al Qaeda’s branch in Syria, can still be bombed, Russia puts the United States in a difficult position; the insurgent groups it supports cooperate in some places with the well-armed, well-financed Nusra


At least since 2014 the Obama administration has armed a number of Syrian rebel groups even though it knew the groups were coordinating closely with the Nusra Front, which was simultaneously getting arms from Turkey and Qatar. The strategy called for supplying TOW anti-tank missiles to the “Syrian Revolutionaries Front” (SRF) as the core of a client Syrian army that would be independent of the Nusra Front.


However, when a combined force of Nusra and non-jihadist brigades including the SRF captured the Syrian army base at Wadi al-Deif in December 2014, the truth began to emerge. The SRF and other groups to which the United States had supplied TOW missiles had fought under Nusra’s command to capture the base.


And as one of the SRF fighters who participated in the operation, Abu Kumayt, recalled to The New York Times, after the victory only Nusra and its very close ally Ahrar al-Sham were allowed to enter the base.










Again, this is just a smidgen of the available evidence out there that obama knew that arms were endings up in the hands of AQ and Isis. I'm not going to write you a book on the Mid East conflict. I don't really care if you admit it, or continue to cover your ears and make excuses. Our arms ended up in their hands, period.


For the 10th time. A fucking sitting democrat congresswoman called him out on it, specifically stating arming both AQ and Isis.


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Oh sure, they didn't know. Please...


Except the ambassador to Syria in my post who directly states they looked the other way.


How about after Tulsi alerted them?



You're defending the administration that said Benghazi was a response to an Internet video, that they found out about numerous things "on the news", and on and on.


Obama is not incompetent. He knew exactly what he was doing. You act as if the motherfucker was honest Abe.




Here's another example of the fantasy painted by western media.




Image: If Major Yaser Abdulrahim looks like he's never wore his FSA uniform out into the field, that's because he hasn't. He is not a member of the FSA at all, and is instead a commander of the Fatah Halab, an umbrella group for Al Qaeda affiliates armed and funded by both the US and Saudi Arabia.




In a recent video report published by the BBC titled, "Syria conflict: Rebels 'feel abandoned' by Britain and US," BBC's Quentin Sommerville claims he "secretly" contacted US-backed rebels from Turkey. The alleged "remote" interview was covered in both locations by professional camera crews, despite Sommerville claiming the situation was so bad, the rebels could not be reached. The "senior rebel commander inside Aleppo" interviewed by the BBC was none other than Yaser Abdulrahim,



Image: Faylaq Al-Sham's flag is clearly seen in the video of the BBC's fake FSA commander when out in the field. Yaser Abdulrahim is seen out among other terrorists, missing his crisp, brand new FSA uniform and devoid of any FSA insignia.


Despite appearing in a brand new, crisp "Free Syrian Army" uniform never worn once into the field, and sitting beside an equally pristine "Free Syrian Army" French colonial flag, Yaser Abdulrahim has absolutely no affiliations with the "Free Syrian Army."



Instead, he is a commander of Faylaq Al-Sham, composed of Al Qaeda terrorists and Muslim Brotherhood extremists. Faylaq Al-Sham and its commander Yaser Abdulrahim, according to Sommerville himself, are part of the larger Fatah Halab umbrella group which also includes Al Qaeda affiliates Ahrar ash-Sham and Jaysh al-Islam - the latter of which literally placed civilians in metal cages on rooftops to use as human shields against Syrian-Russian airstrikes.







The Agenda of Corporate Media Is Regime Change in Syria - UN Press Conf Goes off Script









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I can go on and on and on.


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You act as if I'm making the claim. Tulsi gabbard is making the claim, the ambassador to Syria is making the claim, countless Islamic fighters make the claim, the institute for the study of war is making the claim, etc, etc. Don't blame me for bringing them to your attention.
 
PS, ceasefire doesn’t mean cease thread.

Where are the liberals cheering for war?
Could we have at least had the UN peace keeping force put in place of the US military? When we leaving Iraq? Should be happening anytime now. Waiting for the end of Iraq war.
 
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